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https://mitra.social/users/silverpill posted on Apr 6, 2026 21:24
In reply to: https://fietkau.social/users/julian/statuses/116359360853924032

@julian @hazelnoot @fedify Mitra can verify RFC-9421 sigs.

I think all FEP-844e implementations support RFC-9421 in some capacity. The list of known implementations includes:

- Streams / Forte
- ActivityPub for WordPress
- tootik

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https://mitra.social/users/silverpill posted on Apr 2, 2026 22:44
In reply to: https://tilde.zone/users/tetrus/statuses/116337279738061885

@tetrus Thanks. The patch disables ownership check, this is not good but I can apply it to mitra just to unblock compilation.

However, it is too early for mini, things are going to change a lot there.

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https://mitra.social/users/silverpill posted on Apr 2, 2026 20:18
In reply to: https://tilde.zone/users/tetrus/statuses/116334116556049298

@tetrus Yeah that's true - I added this to the list of limitations in the readme.

But I think it can be ported to other OSes. Which one do you use?

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Scaling: ActivityPub over NNTP?

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https://piefed.social/u/rimu posted on Apr 1, 2026 09:18

Here’s an interesting thought experiment.

Way back in the 1980s and 90s, Usenet was a sorta-federated discussion forum (using the NNTP protocol) that was very popular. It still exists and is distributing 400 million messages each day (mostly spam and trash as far as I can tell). Hard numbers are difficult to come by but it seems like Usenet is capable of significantly higher throughput. Why is that?

The big thing holding ActivityPub back is the fan-out. You know the story - someone with 50,000 followers causes their instance to send up to 50,000 HTTP POSTs every time they click the little spinny star or reply to something.

It’s basically a hub-and-spoke network topology. Except everyone takes turns being the hub, ideally, but not much in practice. And in this topology, the hubs are where the strain and bottlenecks are.

Back in the 1980s they had computers literally 1000 times slower than ours and network links to match. So how did they do this? With a peer to peer network topology! When a new post is made, they don’t send it to everyone they just send it to a handful of other servers. Those servers in turn forward the post on to a handful of other peers, and so on, until the whole network receives the post. No individual server is a single point of failure and none has to bear the full brunt of orchestrating it all.

Let’s do a picture. A creates a post and sends it to B and D.

A ─ B ─ C  
 \      /  
   ─ D ─  

B sends it on to C.

Meanwhile D sends it on the C also but C already has it so does nothing more. IRL this would be a much larger mesh. Who peers with who can be a mixture of manual selection and random spiciness.

Posts can arrive out of order so each server would need to wait until the dependencies between posts are resolved before making them available to clients. That’s a bit tricky.

In the ActivityPub-over-NNTP idea, each NNTP post would be a thin wrapper around a data structure containing the HTTP headers (with signature and digest) and JSON that a normal HTTP POSTed Activity would have. Servers would use NNTP to distribute the activities and upon receiving one they’d POST it to their own /inbox to run the usual ActivityPub processing that their AP instance does.

{  
  "headers": {  
    "Signature": "...",  
    "Digest": "...",  
    "Date": "..."  
  },  
  "activity": { ... normal ActivityPub JSON ... }  
}  

In this way there is no need to rewrite ActivityPub semantics as only the transport layer changes. Our existing inbox logic remains intact.

NNTP comes with a lot of historical baggage so we’d probably need to evolve the protocol a bit. Maybe use HTTP requests (even http2 streams?) instead of the original line-oriented text protocol using raw TCP sockets. But you get the idea.

Thoughts?

https://piefed.social/c/technical-discussion/p/1939768/scaling-activitypub-over-nntp

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https://piefed.social/u/rimu posted on Apr 1, 2026 20:22
In reply to: https://piefed.zip/comment/4549493

Yes, I think that’s part of NNTP already. Each post has a list of the servers it has traveled through so when considering where to forward the post on to a server can check if it’s already been there. That would help somewhat but still there would be quite a few times when a server discards posts.

I haven’t gotten deep enough into this yet but I’m sure there have been protocol improvements since NNTP that address this. Gossip protocols have been experimented with since the early 2000s. For example, rather than servers saying to others “I have this post, do you want it?” they might say “the most recent post I have in the fediverse@lemmy.world community is #5” and another server which only has posts #1 and #2 would respond “cool, give me posts #3, #4 and #5”.

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https://piefed.social/u/rimu posted on Apr 1, 2026 20:26
In reply to: https://mitra.social/objects/019d49cb-4435-0420-3d7c-c45d9303451f

Good point.

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https://mastodon.xyz/users/Profpatsch posted on Mar 30, 2026 18:59
In reply to: https://declin.eu/objects/e3e627eb-a423-44f1-bf86-3add2206db62

@i The thing is that it’s really not useful to define super generic terms that are not even pointing to existing implementations, and could have any semantics.

We need a report about what is actually used, and exactly how.

https://mastodon.xyz/users/Profpatsch/statuses/116319661485968430

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https://mastodon.xyz/users/Profpatsch posted on Mar 30, 2026 20:58
In reply to: https://mitra.social/objects/019d4057-a5db-6c9a-2f17-3f02f37a4f58

@silverpill @i That is very cool and I don’t know how I haven’t seen it before; it kinda invalidates part of the nlnet funding ideas that I wanted to apply for :)

https://mastodon.xyz/users/Profpatsch/statuses/116320129041826753
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https://mitra.social/users/silverpill posted on Mar 31, 2026 20:45
In reply to: https://mastodon.xyz/users/Profpatsch/statuses/116320129041826753

@Profpatsch @i It is an invaluable tool, and has so much potential, but the development is kind of slow.

Perhaps you can apply as a contributor?

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https://mitra.social/users/silverpill posted on Mar 30, 2026 15:57
In reply to: https://crib.social/objects/af5d2eed-83c4-4eaf-87b7-cf6a88634dc6

@taoeffect At the moment these servers are Forte, Mitra, tootik. I added this information to "Current limitations" list in the readme.

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https://mitra.social/users/silverpill posted on Mar 30, 2026 15:46
In reply to: https://epiktistes.com/objects/OKE09_sa_gA

@toddsundsted You can look up @minimitra, it is an actor hosted on my server and managed using the Mitra Mini client.

Its ID is a normal HTTP URI (compatible form). The first step is to convert this ID into canonical form ('ap' URI), so if this actor moves to another server, your software will be able to tell that it is dealing with the same actor. This trick also works with posts, activities, everything.

At the next difficulty level you can create portable actors. This shouldn't require major changes if you keep signing keys on the server. Not ideal, but okay for single-user instances.

Finally, there is client-side signing. This is really hard, and it is probably easier to develop a client from scratch than trying to adapt an existing codebase.

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What’s your opinion on tags.pub?

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https://sh.itjust.works/u/loaf posted on Mar 29, 2026 21:02

I’ll be totally honest and say that I don’t trust Evan (for reasons I’m not getting into), and I’m not sure why we need “hashtags with extra steps,” but I’d like to get opinions from people who are smarter than I am about this stuff.

https://sh.itjust.works/post/57625512

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https://lemmy.world/u/albert_inkman posted on Mar 29, 2026 23:20
In reply to: https://sh.itjust.works/post/57625512

Hashtags-as-a-service isnt new thinking, but tags.pub solves a real gap Mastodon has always had — native group support was promised forever and still hasnt landed. The problem is hashtags fragment across instances. Tags.pub centralizes tag resolution so a post tagged #fediverse gets discovered the same way on lemmy.world or a small microblog. Its a pragmatic middle ground between full federation and centralization. Im skeptical itll become the standard, but its the best workaround until Mastodon actually ships groups or activitypub gains native hashtag support.

https://lemmy.world/comment/22939359
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https://piefed.social/u/rimu posted on Mar 30, 2026 04:29
In reply to: https://slrpnk.net/comment/21514020

I don’t know. Last I saw was a PR languishing for years.

https://piefed.social/comment/10745192

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https://mitra.social/users/silverpill posted on Mar 29, 2026 17:18

Announcing Mitra Mini v0.1.0

Mitra Mini is an ActivityPub client that implements nomadic identity. It has become stable enough that I decided to cut the first release.

The basic features have been implemented: posts, reposts, likes. For more information, check the project's readme:

https://codeberg.org/silverpill/minimitra

It all started nearly four years ago with a vague idea that linking cryptographic keys to #ActivityPub actors could unlock decentralized identity in Fediverse. Eventually, the solution was discovered, and implemented by several projects, but these implementations were servers, not clients. Now there is finally a client, and the design has been proven to work well.

#NomadicIdentity

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https://piefed.social/u/rimu posted on Mar 29, 2026 20:25
In reply to: https://mitra.social/objects/019d3a9a-e2e7-20c3-2445-4891fa178600

Congrats!

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https://mitra.social/users/silverpill posted on Mar 29, 2026 20:59
In reply to: https://piefed.social/comment/10741079

Thank you @rimu !

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https://mitra.social/users/silverpill posted on Mar 29, 2026 20:24
In reply to: https://epiktistes.com/objects/kvuqyyWe4qQ

@toddsundsted You mean, the entry point for a developer? I started with consuming

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