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Disagree. It’s ethical to support the young actors and the actors who took a chance. It’s ethical to wrestle control over a harmless idea initiated by harmful people. It’s ethical to not hate something for something it did not do.

You think it’s ethical to attack Rowling by destroying her work and crippling her funding instead of attacking the politicians who accept her funding and rethoric?
You think it’s ethical to destroy something liked by many because its usage funds those who harm? Well, that will go sideways fast because wow, there’s just so much to be destroyed. Why start with Harry Potter when there’s much more important things to end first?

I’m not saying stop. Just that the priorities are wrong, the focus is wrong and the painted target is illusory. Why not focus on the real instead of the imaginary?

Ethical consumption. Hah.

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.

Even sailing the open seas is better for HBO/JKR than just boycotting. Every casual conversation, favorable post, fan art, merch buy, etc. keeps it in the zeitgeist and keeps the money machine rolling forward.

Pirating something like HP just to watch it alone, never discuss it, and never interact with the IP is at best a total waste of your time when there’s so much other content out there not propping up TERFs.

What if I watch it out of spite?

Piracy if you absolutely must.

It always blows my mind how much of a heel JKR is. All billionaires are bastards, but you have to be among the worst people on earth to use your billions to be a high profile bigot.

I’m gonna pirate it just to delete it over and over again

I don’t see how Johnny Depp dressed as a pira… Oh.

For fuck’s sake… Rowling is an idiot and I totally disagree with her, but let’s not pretend she’s Hitler or something.

I hate these fabricated pearl clutching controversies.

So we all agree that if Hitler were profiting from a new HBO series, none of us would watch that. How far away from Hitler does one have to be to no longer warrant a boycott?

there’s no way to watch this show without supporting Rowling’s bigotry and the structural violence she’s inflicting on a vulnerable minority.

Ahem🏴‍☠️

But that does drive engagement and discussion and all the things that make it popular, so just don’t.

I think being an idiot doesn’t warrant this inane reaction.

She is not a criminal in any way shape or form.

How about people worry about not giving money to actual criminals like Elon Musk, Donald Trump, etc?

I mean she’s not just an idiot. She’s actively harming a group of vulnerable people. I’m not sure why it matters if it’s legal.

Every casual conversation, favorable post, fan art, merch buy, etc. keeps it in the zeitgeist and keeps the money machine rolling forward.

you can easily pirate it, watch, and not do any of that other stuff.

I think qbittorrent might be able to do it. You can choose your network interface, but I don’t know if it will let you put /dev/null in that box.

I was thinking of mounting it in a docker volume but the torrent doesn’t work :-/

Probably have to script something.

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You must be great at small talk…

“Seen any good shows lately?”

“No” (walk away)

Are you incapable of doing both? What barriers do you think exist that people must overcome to not give any number of bigots money?

The people talking abour piracy as if this is just a monetary battle. Its not. With each piece of content we consume we are changed. What content you consume has influence on what you think, what you say, what you do. By choosing to consume content, even if no money changes hands, is still consenting to be changed by content sourced from a person with hate in their heart.

I do not think it healthy to consume content made by hateful people.

There are other options to consume, and potentially even, maybe the time spent consuming harry potter would be better placed meditating and introspecting to become a better person outside of additional influences, or even interacting and sharing experiences and insights with family and friends.

Choose love, reject hate. Money is a secondaey medium.

Sometimes consuming content that isn’t good can be a way to see just how disagreeable it is. Though admittedly all my consumption of awful content is usually through a third party analysing what went wrong.

honestly it looks rough, the movies aren’t even that dated yet (with the exception of the first, but its charmingly dated IMO).

Yikes…talk about bad at small talk.

That’s how I watch TV for the most part too.

Let people enjoy things the way they do. Not everyone needs to “engage with the IP” or whatever else in order to have a good time simply watching a show in their own.

So like, you never talk about it??

Never upvote an article about the show returning for another season?

Never like a meme or a gif?

If a friend or family member asks you what you thought of the new season, do you lie and say you haven’t watched it or do you try and change the subject?

If you’re watching the news and they cut to an interview with the cast do you immediately change the channel?

If you usually buy bananas at the grocery store but now they’re promoting the show, do you go find another grocery store?

There’s a huge chasm between boycotting something and even a little engagement, and every little bit of engagement, even free engagement, reflects positively on the content marketing strategy.

Ok, so, I have a few problems with this take.

I do not think it healthy to consume content made by hateful people.

First, I question the very premise. That consuming otherwise benign content is somehow “not […] healthy” if the creater is themselves hateful, whether or not that hate is present in their content. A) by what do you mean it is unhealthy? For your mind? Your eternal soul? What? B) If the content does not display any of the specific hatred of their creator, by what means would that hatred effect me at all? Psychically?

Second, let’s assume the premise is true. Tell me then, how would you ever avoid this unhealthy situation in your life? Sure you could avoid the openly hateful creators, but how would you ever know who is secretly hateful? Many a creator of beloved works, has turned out to bit an asshole or a bigot. And many of those were only revealed as such after those works became beloved. Surely, many more were also created by hateful people who were and may never never be publically revealed as such. Given you have concluded that the content and monetary support is not all that matters, but the also the internal character of the creator, how do you know your health isn’t be constantly compromised by consuming work by people you don’t know are actually hateful in some way.

Third, it seems kind of a moot point anyway. Rowling only started revealing her transphobia in 2019. By that point the entire novel series, the entire film adaptation series, a spin off play and companion book, the first two of three spinoff films, and any number of video games, toys, and other merchandise had all been released and consumed by billions. The vast majority of our generation has consumed a ton Harry Potter media in many forms before her bigotry was on full display. I personally ready most of the books over and over as a kid. I gotta tell you, if my health was damaged because she was a hateful bitch at heart, then that damage is done.

I get wanting to take a moral highground, being disgusted by the association, and just wanting to distance yourself from Rowling and leave it behind. I truly get that and think it is entirely justified. But don’t project some sort of damage onto people who don’t do the same, or attribute some sort of complicit immorality to them because they don’t take the same stance as you. That’s where I strongly disagree.

You think it’s ethical to attack Rowling by destroying her work and crippling her funding

Yes, it is ethical to boycott a work that monetarily directly benefits a bigot, and if you don’t get that I’m not sure how else to explain it. Joanne lining a bunch of doe eyed kids up in front of her doesn’t change how much harm she’ll do with that money.

small talk? lol.

I’d watch it if it was convenient enough. If the first episode was good enough I would watch a few more and if those were entertaining I would watch the whole season. Like all crap today though I won’t pay a penny for it.

Rowling is an idiot and I totally disagree with her, but let’s not pretend she’s Hitler or something.

No, she isn’t Hitler. But when asked “Why didn’t the wizarding world stop Hitler?” Her response wasn’t something like “Nazis have wizards too” it was “Someone tried and they were the villain of the movie because stopping Hitler is worse than Hitler.”

Piracy and staying away from popular public spaces to discuss it. Discuss it in private with your friends who know to pirate it. But if you’re on the show’s subreddit, you’re helping bring attention to a wider audience, which helps the show.

jk rowling is a terf and a holocaust denier

She funded a campaign that resulted in the loss of human rights for transgender people in the UK.

She is not an idiot, she is an actively harmful bigot that you are funding if you watch her shows.

Yeah it’s better to forget and let it go for 10-20 years.

Let the hype die and poison her business ventures so she stops raking in cash from this.

I liked Harry Potter as a kid. My wife was obsessed with it. But we both don’t want our money funding trans hate.

I think your thinking of this as a reason not to consume it but its a good point. If they have one drunk driving offense. If they jay walked. What is a light enough offense to overlook. Like there is a ton of movies that Harvey Weinstein had a hand in and so don’t watch any of those.

Why do I have to justify my lack of engagement to you. No, I don’t do that stuff. I don’t buy branded bananas, I don’t watch cable tv, and I block ads. I don’t recommend TV shows by transphobes in my day to day, as far as I’m aware.

Honestly, you yourself are probably contributing more to Harry Potter engagement by posting about it on a public forum. All publicity is good publicity, after all. I’m not out here judging you for it.

Those are completly valid problems with my statement, we might have different perspectives and wont find agreement, i accept that and still love you and anyone who chooses to consume the content. Ill also say that i was major harry potter fan in my youth, went to the book and movie releases, etc, etc. Harry potter had a special place in my heart.

1a: the distinction between mind and soul is one better discussed in person over hours and hours, ill let you choose whichever fits best within your model of reality. But as far as unhealthy i mean it in the same way as getting mcdonalds - even if you get a salad and water at mcdonalds, you are still reinforcing a pattern where mcdonalds is an acceptable place and source of food, even when we know the food isnt healthy and how they source the food isnt healthy (references to slavery, abuse, theft, environmental degredation, etc - if unfamiliar with these concerns from mcdonalds and other fast foods ill make it your homework as itd be a lot to type out and im no expert to speak authoritatively) - harry potter has a number of stereotypes and problematic areas baked into its universe - maybe eveb innocently from jkr’s perspective - but weve seen what shes manifested into - and further - because of the links and references to other issues it can soften your rejection of other harmful content (for example, theres a very specific representation of goblins in harry potter, and becoming familiar with that representation, innocently, can make you desensitized to other problematic sources that move that interpretation of goblins to antisemitism, just one example of unhealthiness i talk about)

1b: this is what i reference to as underlying patterns, by watching the new hp, is a knife going to jump out of the screen and stab you? No. But you might internalize some concepts from the universe and story that later forms the seed of hatred, or sends you on a path/rabbit hole that does do damage to you. in a certain perspective im sure someone would call that psychically. Just as one double cheeseburger dosent kill you on the spot and even tastes good, in aggregate and over time and repitition, it will decrease your quality of life and if unlucky, might actually kill you.

2: have i consumed unhealthy content before? Certainly and plenty of it, further its likely ive consumed unhealthy content even today unknowingly. But i am now aware and am actively trying to manage the content i consume and being more aware of how it can influence me because i want to think and act in a certain way, and that requires dilligence, just as im dilligent about weeding my garden, just as im dilligent about going to the market for groceries and not going to mcdonalds. I didnt know jkr was hateful as a kid, but now i do. I cant and wouldnt change the past, but i can and would change the present. Its what we do now.

I hope that answers your questions, i dont know how to make my answers shorter, and typing this on the phone is exhuasting, this is a conversation better had with voice and a back and forth dialog.

What if the offense isn’t in the past? What if it’s ongoing, and giving the person more money enables them to be even more harmful in the future?

I could see that as being a good place to draw the line. Like maybe I’ll watch an old Kevin Spacey movie, but I won’t give money to someone who is going to use that money to harm innocent people.

Oh no, but what about my floopydoop fiddlewink hobstuffs?!! The magic words are all so cool and not cringe at all!

That only applies if your paying for it and the thread seems to be against pirating it.

valid points on the books/movies but this new series will directly fund transphobia and bigotry.

It’s a cash grab and an attempt to distance the original cast, all of whom viciously disagree with Rowlings bigotry.

Joyless, souless propaganda and funds drive. If you were such a dedicated potter fan, why would want to see its corpse puppeted to pay for hate?

Right but they were specifically making a point that it wasn’t (just) a financial question. That consumption of content with a hateful source is enough to be detrimental regardless of the benign nature and qualities of the content itself. I wasn’t arguing that you should financially support hateful creators. I was questioning their premise that the creator’s nature determined how the content affects you even if the content doesn’t reflect their nature.

It is a whole other thing to financially support it. And also another thing to consume new media that may or may not be me little more than a cash grab. It is also further complicated by the fact that this is an HBO property, meaning that financial support technically comes from subscriptions, whether or not you actually watch the content in question or other shows entirely. I wasn’t getting into any of that though.

Instead, the people on fire would rather boo the gas attendants for doing their jobs at the gas station while they sit on their ass and burn.

That’ll show the bigot! I’m sure that afterwards they’ll mop up the ashes themselves!

Sure you could avoid the openly hateful creators, but how would you ever know who is secretly hateful?

You don’t know what you don’t know. Nobody should be blamed for liking HP while they were unaware of Rowling’s bigotry and how she funds hate groups.

But once you do know, you now have agency and responsibility. Absentminded consumption of content is not consequence-free, the information landscape you inhabit changes you. Do you ever catch yourself using a word more often after hearing your favorite YouTuber use it? That’s just one small perceptible example of what OP means.

This is why it’s important for articles like this to inform and remind people to be critical viewers, to be skeptical about what they watch, who they follow.

Who the hell is bothering anyone for working at a theater showing the movie? That’s weirdo behavior. Boycotting the freak after your rights isn’t.

If you’re describing the trans community as sitting on their asses right now because they’re also taking a dump on Joanne every time the opportunity presents itself, you frankly have a distorted view of what is happening on the ground and how much energy it takes to say “Joanne is a bigot a and sucks shit”.

I do this with metallica’s entire library every couple of years. I know in my brain it does nothing but my heart says it makes lars cry.

Thank you for the great idea.

So a better educated / more critical thinking audience is able to consume content from a malicious or hateful creator with better shielding?

All science is built on the backs of the “content” created by generations upon generations of our predecessors, many of whom were far from saintly.

Schrödinger was a pedophile, but his equations are some of the most important and beautiful equations in physics.

Newton was an asshole, but his contributions to math and science are unavoidable in any STEM field.

To blanket disregard content simply because it was authored by a bad person is not a valid stance at all, but also, it is quite literally the hateful option since you are asserting your hostility towards a person and even to anything remotely related to them. That is the definition of hatred, not love.

I don’t have a horse in this race. Maybe it is beneficial to boycott the consumption of Harry Potter media in general. But you are wrong to assert that content created by a hateful person is fundamentally unhealthy to consume.

Yes, there are weirdoes who do go after everyone associated with that which they boycott. And it should be shunned as weirdo behaviour, agreed.

I’m not seeing a trans community here, but a small group of individuals who believe themselves righteous, charging in the wrong direction. My sight of the happenings is limited as i am an outsider peering through whatever window is available. And this window shows me actors harassed for daring to work on this project or separately, the black actor getting death threats for daring to play Snape as a black actor. That is weirdo behaviour.

You may think you’re coming after Rowling’s money, but are you really? Do you really think this might not end up as time wasted when the focus could have been on the other, more direct aspects of her hate campaign?

Series and movies have failed when they couldn’t enrapture the audience. If this series sucks, it will fail without the ruckus. Instead, if it captivates the audience, this attention will only end up making it even more successful than it would have been. That’s why I think this fight is pointless and you’re wasting effort. No idea if it’s wrong, but it’s what I think about it.

I’m not seeing a trans community here, but a small group of individuals who believe themselves righteous, charging in the wrong direction

I don’t really know any trans people that still fuck with HP. They all think Joanne is a fucking bigot, because she’s successfully campaigned away the rights of trans people in the UK.

You may think you’re coming after Rowling’s money, but are you really?

Do you really not understand that when you give money to a property owned by a billionaire, they get some of that money? Any money you don’t give them is objectively less money they have. That’s why they’re so, so incredibly mad when people boycott. If it didn’t work they wouldn’t care if you did it.

Instead, if it captivates the audience, this attention will only end up making it even more successful than it would have been

Somehow I don’t think you’re going to find ‘shut up about transphobia or you’ll make it worse’ to be an argument that resonates with many trans people.

Im cautous to call discoveries a form of created content, likewise those things are peer reviewed amongst a group - you could theoretically rediscover shrodingers equations without ever learning from shrodinger, but almost certainly you could never rewrite harry potter without having read harry potter - thats because on some level, hp is a reflection of jkr herself - shrodingers equations are not a reflection of shrodinger, but of reality itself (possibly!)

Didnt know he was a pedo though, yuck: https://www.forbes.com/sites/rebeccacoffey/2022/01/24/schrdinger-pedophilia-the-cat-is-out-of-the-bag-box/

To blanket disregard content simply because it was authored by a bad person is not a valid stance at all, but also, it is quite literally the hateful option since you are asserting your hostility towards a person and even to anything remotely related to them. That is the definition of hatred, not love.

Is an odd take to me, should we all read mein kampf? Its just content right? Is it hateful to not read mein kampf? I dont think so. I dont think myseld ignorant for not having read mein kampf either. Seperate the art from the artist? I do not. You seem to think i should tolerate intolerance - but it is good, in my mind at least, to draw boundries - but by your argument, any intolerance is hatred - all nazis, pedos, other evil-doers can be tolerated at your table, but not mine, i will blanket disregard them and protect my table from their influence.

At most generous, ill look at their content through a purely analytical and guarded lense - treating it as dangerous, because i beleive it really is.

I’m so glad I have Americans around to lecture me daily on the morality of pop culture whilst they simultaneously accelerate extinction-level events and start new wars that fuck the cost of living for the rest of us.

Yarr

How many of those things enrich JK by you watching them?

How does watching something already produced, given away for free like a TMZ segment, enrich JK?

We’re not buying her shit. It doesn’t matter how much related media is consumed. If we talk about it with people who similarly know better than to buy any of it, it’s not making her money.

Besides, if you’re paying for HBO for any reason, you’re already paying her more money than any amount of talk amongst pirates ever would.

If you’re paying for HBO for any reason, you’ve already given JK more money than any pirate ever will.

you think this view is unique to the US?

something tells me there are intelligent and decent people in every country. and it is a worldwide franchise, hardly unique to the US.

Schrödinger and Newton didn’t create stories, they discovered laws that explain reality. Their contributions were tested repeatedly. There’s nothing fundamental about Rowling’s work; this is a specious comparison.

Joanne Rowling.

Don’t use her preferred name. The cunt wants to take that right away from others, don’t give her any exemption.

I think this entirely misses the point.

The point of bringing critical thinking to bear is to discern the garbage and choose not to consume it.

Educating people about the harm bigoted content brings with it is the right thing to do.

No one cares more about virtue signalling relatively inconsequential culture war issues and less about controlling what their country actually does on a global stage than Americans. Truly the most sedated, ignorant and empathy-deficient population of our times.

Educating people about the harm bigoted content brings with it is the right thing to do.

But I do not think HP is bigoted content, no matter how bigoted its author is. It certainly has some problematic aspects to it, don’t get me wrong. But I don’t think that it ultimately champions, supports, or frames in a food light any form of bigotry. It, in fact, often does the exact opposite. I think part of what is so jarring about Rowling’s bigotry is that it came out of nowhere for fans of her work. It is entirely unexpected because it is straight up antithetical to much of the messaging in her books. The irony is not lost on me, but I would rather use the anti-bigotry messaging in HP to inform my life and use it against the creator herself than to feel guilt or disgust over enjoying those stories just because she is a cunt.

I can get behind that. Also Just Killing Readership, and Jaundiced Kvetching Rimjob.

I’ll give you that math is discovered not created (mostly), so those were some bad examples.

Is it hateful to not read mein kampf?

No…? Why would it be hateful to avoid reading a book because you don’t like its contents? But it is wrong to assert that it is impossible for a hateful/evil person to create non-hateful/evil content.

While mein kampf is a piece of negative media, it is not the only content created by Hitler. I would wager that if I showed a person some of Hitler’s paintings (without telling them who authored it), they would not become more hateful just from viewing the landscapes and buildings. In fact, people tend to like paintings in general so it might even have a positive affect on their mood despite it being content created by an evil man.

If you don’t like content, it is not hateful to ignore it. But to assert that absolutely nothing good can come from a person who has done evil things is wrong. You cannot be certain that there is no good within the bad anymore than you can assert there is no bad within the good.

Any intolerance is hatred

That is not what I said. Furthermore, I fully believe it is okay to hate things. I hate cruelty; I hate the bourgeoisie; etc. My point was that your assertion was backwards and contradictory. You were the one advocating for hatred while ending your statement with “choose love, reject hate.” I was pointing out that contradiction not asserting the morality or immorality of hatred.

Yes, Harry Potter boycotts definitely work and definitely make Rowling very mad.

True, but their proofs had to be read. Their papers and books had to be read in order to be tested. Furthermore, those books and letters and papers contained content that was not purely mathematical. Especially in Newton’s case. Hell, iirc he disses on other mathematicians frequently in some of his works. But did that make everyone who read them hateful? Did people reading his works negatively impact the world? Would it have positively impacted the world if everyone had decided not to read any of newtons work? Or Schrödinger’s?

No. Of course not.

Now I’ll admit math was a poor choice for comparison to Harry Potter, but the point remains that bad people can make/discover/influence good things. And consuming media related to a bad person is not guaranteed to have a negative impact on your wellbeing.

I’m pretty sure that’s all just ish baby talk.

Holocaust denial? Oh please.

You think those that are lecturing about the idiot raging against trans and others are the same ones that are running the country into the ground?

#facts

Of course we know that, but from the outside in, it’s a bit odd how those two coincide. Just a few moments ago, I was talking about rising prices for everything because of the war, only to open to Lemmy to find this article and that comment. I hadn’t thought about it, but holy fuck, America.

It may blow some minds, you can sidestep the moral dilemma by not signing any subscription service.

It’s all public.

let’s not pretend she’s Hitler or something

She would totally be Hitler if she had the power, any you know it.

As others have alluded, regardless of the content of the HP books or movies or games, JKR earns royalties and profits from HP as a brand. Keeping the brand in the collective zeitgeist - even if you didn’t buy anything - brings Rowling money through word-of-mouth marketing, money she uses for hateful ends. I know some folks in my life, I bet you know some in yours, who will spend money based on FOMO, or nostalgia bait, or rage bait, without knowing who or what their money goes to.

This same conversation happened when Hogwarts Legacy was released, folks who said “its just a video game, calm down,” were missing the point of the boycotts and protests. Funding HP funds JKR, which funds lobbyists to strip human rights away from human beings. The cause and effect here is well documented.

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2024/02/jk-rowling-donates-big-money-to-anti-trans-group/

https://www.them.us/story/jk-rowling-fund-anti-trans-lawsuits

https://www.advocate.com/news/jk-rowling-anti-trans-organization

https://www.buzzfeed.com/natashajokic1/jk-rowling-harry-potter-anti-trans

Stallman level extremism that will have no meaningful impact.

You’re wasting time that could be better spent shit posting circle jerking about hating Harry Potter like a Christian Karen

Keeping the brand in the collective zeitgeist - even if you didn’t buy anything - brings Rowling money through word-of-mouth marketing

My personal consumption without giving her money does nothing to support the brand or market the product unless I go around advertising it for people. In which case it was the the purchase or the advertisement that are the problem, not the consumption itself. If I pirate a movie, a game, an audio book, etc. and don’t go around talking up the property, I would be giving nothing either directly or indirectly to Rowling or any other producer of the content. Matter of fact, I could share access to the pirated materials to make my direct associates less likely to go out and purchase them on their own behalf, arguably denying them purchases they may otherwise have received from more detached and careless people in my circle. But that wouldn’t stop people from hating on the consumption itself. I think that’s silly.

Again, I don’t disagree that providing financial benefit, vocal support, etc. to a hate monger is, at minimum callous negligence, if not complicity or active support of the hate mongering. But I do not think that separating the content from the creator, getting ahold of the content without financially supporting the creator, and consuming it without marketing it to others is to be in any way complicit with the creator’s/creators’ behavior and views.

Choosing a globally federated network of social media wasn’t the play then was it chief?

Considering it’s a democratic nation, yes they’re all responsible. Trump is not some flash-in-the-pan anomaly, he is a direct result of a long-term history and culture that all Americans have been participants in.

On the contrary, choosing federated social media developed in opposition to US big tech is exactly the right play.

Hardlinking /dev/null to something like /terf/trash and use that would be an option in that case.

I, and everyone I know, have voted against him 3 times. We are a Republic, not a democracy.

As I said, this is not just about recent history. All adult Americans are culpable for letting their country get to this stage in the first place, not that you’d ever know that from the way they behave online. Still the same massive exceptionalism ego whenever they’re confronted with criticism based on reality. Still the same blame games, the same victim mentality. No accountability in sight.

Ok buddy

This is the take. And also, piracy is still support. Every creator who supports the free sharing of information recognizes that piracy is basically free word of mouth advertising.

I grew up with the books, but as I learned about Rowling’s shittiness, I stopped consuming any Harry Potter content. Now the franchise is something I don’t care about, don’t even generally think about unless someone else brings it up. More of my time can go to those creators who deserve it.

How very American of you to use some condescending, throwaway one-liner to exit the conversation and make yourself feel better, rather than respond thoughtfully or even just move on quietly. You may not have voted for your president, but your behaviour is very reminiscent of him. Keep telling yourselves you’re winners and belittling anyone who dares to suggest otherwise.

Yeah but with that extreme narrative we are all culprit by association with our ancestors. Like because I’m Belgian I am guilty of fucking over a whole continent ? Dude in Iran have it coming because at some point Persia was a bit into forcible borders expansion? And Germans… all of them are in the bag as well? That’s some extremely simplistic view on a very complex world.

As much as the situation in the states is infuriating we must not generalise and antagonise the good guys over there. We kindof need them to keep steering the situation for a better turn.

But I do not think HP is bigoted content, no matter how bigoted its author is.

you don’t, uh, find anything problematic with the goblin-like depiction of their bankers?

wow.

well you do you bud, there’s no informing some folks no matter how obvious it is I guess.

then keep on reading the terf bitch’s garbage. and know people will judge you for your awful tastes.

you want someone to excuse you, it’s not going to be me.

Yes, all adults of a nation are responsible for cultivating the culture of that nation. As I said in another comment, Trump (and MAGA) did not magically come from nowhere. They are the result of everyone in that country celebrating ego over humility, for turning a blind eye to real problems whilst circlejerking about moral authority and greatness, for chasing division over relatively minor issues rather than finding common ground on the major ones of our time. Americans of all political leanings have been projecting their own problems for decades whilst proclaiming to have “the greatest country in the world”.

As much as the situation in the states is infuriating we must not generalise and antagonise the good guys over there. We kindof need them to keep steering the situation for a better turn.

The “good guys” aren’t steering anything. They aren’t in control and the idea that things will be fixed if they were completely misses the point here. The American left is just as guilty of self-fellation when their chosen president stands up on a podium and jerks himself off about how his people are the greatest of all.

I guess you haven’t worked this out yet but I don’t care about the thoughts of Americans. I care about how their obsession with those thoughts impacts their actions in the world.

I, and everyone I know, have voted against him 3 times.n

And yet you say the same things  MAGA idiots say:

We are a Republic, not a democracy.

“Gorillas aren apes, not mammals.”

And how very uneducated and frankly argumentative in the least impressive way, while saying so many things you feel are smart, yet actually don’t make any sense whatever. Yes I use an exit, because you are a wall of idiot and throwing myself against you is a losing battle, no matter what facts are, because this don’t matter to someone like you. I gave up on arguing with idiots like you years ago on Reddit. I’m not starting it here.

Heavily implying you’re more educated than those who disagree with you is also right out of Trump’s playbook, by the way. As I said, this is a very broad cultural issue that you guys seem to lack an awareness of and desperately resist having your attention drawn to.

People act like they would die if they just don’t watch it.

The whole continent I do not know, but the Congo Belge? Bro you won’t get away easy with this one.

Yeah because my ancestors who were very busy dying in the mines are complicit with the management of the times. All around good times IIRC.

The adults of today? Or the children of yesterday when the cards were dealt? Maybe today’s children as well since eventually they are tomorrow’s adults…

I understand the rage but this is just too simplistic a view. And it doesn’t help, it just steer some shit.

The children of today will be adults one day, at which point they will have the same adult responsibilities as any of us. You can’t hold children accountable for the failings of adults, though. You seem to be making a backwards-looking, fatalistic argument that no one should be held responsible for anything because it all stems from somewhere in the past long before they were a responsible adult. I’m saying we have a responsibility as the adults of today to acknowledge the impact of history but choose empowerment and action to change our present and future. That starts with awareness and accountability, two things that are significantly lacking in our discourse currently (particularly discourse in the US, as I have been arguing).

Unethical consumption it is then!

I’d give it a try.

Belgian here. You better be on the fucking street coz the government want to kick out my wife

I have no clue what this means but okay thanks I guess

I’m waloon too. We are responsable.

Just don’t. Let it go and move on. The entire purpose of this post is to say that even if you pirate it, watch it alone, and never speak of it, it is still unethical.

And that just underlines that it is much easier to simply not watch it.

That just makes it more visible to others pirating it, again reinforcing its presence on the internet. Just don’t watch it, is it really that impossible for you to do that?

your nationality does not excuse supporting a hag.

why would it? pfft

You are trying to start fights where there is no reason to start one. They are literally agreeing with you here, and still you are being an asshole about it.

Still no

Also Harry Potter suck dicks omg. I liked the book when i was 8 years old. If you’re an adult and still into that shit i’m begging you to read literally any other book

What would be concrete action to « change what we can » with regard to that past of ours? I’m trying to educate my sons so that they don’t grow being assholes and I behave as much as I can myself… but beside that it’s a bit unclear.

Also in my understanding being responsible entails to a form of accountability and control over the actions : I am very sure that in my line no fucking one was ever any of that wrt Congo. We’ve been on the poor paysan side for as long as I could dig.

Are you arguing just to argue at this point? Because it feels like you’re moving the goalpost every time somebody corrects you and not entirely in a malevolent way, but more like a stubborn just-don’t-want-to-be-wrong way

Who agreed with me? Every single reply has either deflected or attempted to get a cheap victory via character assassination. Pretty much the only person who engaged in good faith was the Belgian, and they also don’t wholly agree with me.

I’m glad there’s red Herring fallacies so that people on the internet can retort without rationality.

Do anything but the right thing just to not be told what to do

she supports nazi, and funds anti-trans laws in the uk.

You and everyone you know plus 90 million who DGAF.

Try to actually hear this: we, the rest of the world, are tired of your shit. Get it together.

They’ll never get it. It’s who they are.

Like how I torrent the entire Metallica catalogue once a year, just as a little ‘fuck you’ to Lars.

Wtf. Creating constant demand for it?

I wonder what the net effects of that really are…

On one hand, it’s the complete opposite of seeding and will exhaust seeders’ patience and steal bandwidth from people who want to watch it. So that’s actually hilarious.

But on the other hand, it does ultimately come off as and inflate demand. It could stretch and artificially boost perceived hype over time. Like if a seeder sees constant downloading of it, or leechers see other leechers after years, they will be empowered in their hype for the thing.

I think the correct thing to do might be to report any torrents you find to the copyright holders and drive spite between consumers and the copyright holders. This may increase direct money spent, but it also acts as a deterrent from the media. And one thing that’s really apparent here is that there’s all kinds of people who act on all kinds of reasons: morality alone, the shared active goal of draining interest in the media and franchise and jkr herself, only not wanting to give jkr money but still wanting to consume hp, etc.

So, statistically, in order to kill the idea of hp, telling people to simply not consume hp at all isn’t enough, and in some cases, may create a taboo or even spite motivation. Shame is a very strong motivator, but clearly, either some people aren’t quite getting there, comprehension wise, or don’t give enough of a fuck about the effects, or some level of values and combination… Basically it’s just not enough on its own to tell people it’s wrong and why because people are… Human.

Tldr: If you care about trans people’s civil and human rights, just let go of hp. Don’t just boycott spending, boycott using at all. I know this is clearly a big ask, but I sincerely think that if-statement holds true.

yeah but then i have to learn and remember her name and holy shit i do not care you would not believe how much i do not care

yes she has openly denied the horrors of the holocaust

i dont have a precise answer mate, but doing something is better than nothing. Les sages-femmes etaient en greve a l’hopital des marolles, bah j’ai ete leur filer des courses. Quand elle s’est fait interviewe par la rtbf, elles ont dit “on a le soutient des voisins”.

On parle pas de responsabilite personelle, c’est pas ma faute si les vieux coloniaux ont ete piller l’afrique, et pareil que toi, mes ancetres etaient cheminots ou bossaient dans les mines ou a l’usine. N’empeche que si on est un pays riche a l’heure actuelle, c’est en partie grace a la colonisation. C’est de la responsabilite societale, pas individuelle.

Je suis pas certain d’être tellement d’accord sur le dernier point. Je suspecte que ce soit principalement des individus qui ont bénéficié des pillages. Il y a eu des retombées evidentes mais la Belgique était déjà riche avant…

Généralement en ce qui me concerne j’essaie juste d’être qqun de pas trop mal mais je ne lierai jamais ça a une cause historique précise. C’est fallacieux pour moi. Et j’en ai pas besoin. De mon point de vue c’est un devoir absolu d’être qqun de « correct ».

Mais bon, si se culpabiliser peut aider pq pas…

Non bien sur, il s’agit pas de se culpabiliser. Mais bon, au niveau macro, c’est simple, des individus s’en sont mis pleins les fouilles, mais les institutions aussi. La BBL par exemple, ou de grands groupes industriels.

Bonne journee copain

Funnily I feel the same way about everyone replying. The original comment in replied to was about how piracy didnt solve the problem because even consuming materials with a hateful creator was bad for your health. Then people keep coming back with stuff about financially supporting Rowling, which piracy does solve.

My goalpost hasn’t changed, people just keep pushing back from different angles. My thesis is the same: Don’t financially support Rowling, don’t market for her work, and don’t be complacent about hate mongering. But if you have access to the content for free and you wish to consume it, it doesn’t hurt anyone to do so and it’s nobody’s business to judge you for it.

People love to think of themselves as an ally to the lgbt community, but when it reaches the difficulty of not watching a tv show (or game) from a transphobe using the proceeds to fund hate, that’s simply too much.

What you don’t get is that a few millions less won’t matter if she’s dead set on pouring all of it against trans people. Zealots will dump everything they have into something they believe in religiously. And she’s just one (disposable) individual. Even by some chance she stops, someone else will pop up. This is just playing whack-a-mole.

Rowling is just a believer. But who pitted her, who’s taking her money, who’s going to go after the next sucker and the next after that? You just don’t get it that your target is wrong and whoever’s driving you to act rabidly against each other ain’t your friend.

Did you even read my comment? Like the very next sentence? I said that there is defintely problematic stuff. Very specifically I was alluding to the goblins, as well as house elves.

The depiction of the goblins is clearly problematic and parallels real world stereotyping and racism. It is gross, for sure, but I have always offered a little grace there. I have always sensed that it was never intentionally racist, but ignorantly played up a banking stereotype that was sourced in racism. By which I mean I think she was likely playing up cultural stereotypes about bankers and using goblins to exemplify those stereotypes without consciously considering where those stereotypes came from. That they were stereotypes about Jews in banking specificslly and that she was making insulting Jewish charactictures as a result. I don’t know that it wasn’t intentional, either, but either way it is still problematic.

Despite being the most egregiously racially problematic problem, it is, however, subtextual and a very small aspect of the books which are, far more often than not, actively about cooperation between different people, rejection of bigotry, and protecting others from that bigotry. That is my point.

/u/an4g3l meant in terms of their ancestors. They’re not responsible for Belgiums occupation of Congo in the early 1900s.

Yes, I understand that. It was a hyperbolic response that didn’t engage with the point I was making, so rather than be drawn into a pointless debate about it I chose to interpret it in a way that allowed for more relevant discussion.

Her other pseudonym is Robert Galbraith, which is… fascinating?

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Piracy is always ethical. And I will pirate and watch this show.

Not really sure who this is even for. Most people who were excited for Harry Potter shit the first time round are in their 40s. The author has fallen into a rabbit-hole of right-wing nut-baggery. The movies did a decent job and weren’t really that long ago. It’s not like some 70s movie where everyone is clearly flying on strings.

It’s the kind of thing I expect two seasons to be shat out on Netflix or Amazon or one of the ad funded services, and then everyone forgets about it and agrees not to do it again.

I just don’t know what HBO are doing in this. I normally associate them with high quality shows and a streaming service that isn’t available in the UK. It just doesn’t feel like something they’d be doing. Maybe they’ve just fallen that far.

Trans person here, we try not to make a point of outing ourselves. She is awful and her shitty work shouldn’t have a platform if it enriches her and allows the spread of the dreck she puts into the world.

but you have to be among the worst people on earth to use your billions to be a high profile bigot.

What she is is stubborn. So when she uttered a belief that much of Twitter found offensive, they piled on her, and she dug her heels in. It’s a pretty common pattern - people called out on something (even something objective) will resist, and resist in proportion to how strong the call-out is. Our brains just were not designed to handle being personally criticised, ridiculed and insulted by thousands of people at once.

You can see this if you track her statements over time: from the moment Twitter piled on, she was a lost cause.

And yes, I do partly blame those people for what she has become, even though she could change her mind - I think we have a moral duty not to join in publicly berating people so as to avoid exactly this kind of negative effect, and people failed at that.

Yeah, I really don’t understand who the target demographic is for this? It’s not like they are doing anything interesting with the universe, it’s just the same story again.

They could have done anything with this but they are doing this. Do a different time period or something.

By choosing to consume content, even if no money changes hands, is still consenting to be changed by content sourced from a person with hate in their heart.

“Not one drop” reworked for the era of media consumption. Piss on that.

What this means, in practice, is that you don’t consume media created by people whom you have found out are evil in some way. You’ll shrink your horizons, but not away from those who can fly under the radar.

What are you afraid of? That your beliefs are so fragile, that you’re so weak willed, that you will be turned to evil not even by reading propaganda, but by reading fiction that doesn’t even feature the hatred that concerns you?

Or is it, as I suspect, that you are concerned not with turning evil but with the appearance?

They appear to have it together unless you’re suggesting they’re obligated to martyr themselves for an apathetic population who won’t help them.

There are a LOT of ‘central’ and ‘right-wingers’ that love her stuff all the more for her horrible worldview, and they’ll spend on it.

To be fair, there are a fuck of a lot of people who despise the current government but are conflicted about the fact that they really love the HP fantasy world.

We have ¹⁄₄ of a theme park over here that is absolutely surreal with HP stuff.

And then you’ll talk to less tech-savvy people about it, and they’ll FOMO themselves into getting HBO.

Congratulations, you’re doing marketing for JK!

There’s no reason to engage with anything Harry Potter anymore. There’s plenty of less problematic fantasy stories.

I’ll take the hit on this one. It’s me. My fault. GenX, lower middle class. (Upper lower class?)

Whatever the case, I’ve been bitching about the corrupt government since I was 18. Didn’t vote until I was over 50.

In my youth, it seemed like democracy didn’t need me. The U.S. was going in a great direction. Under Clinton, we had a balanced budget and started to make reforms with social issues. And yes, there was back-pedaling in the Bush era, but it seemed like checks and balances were at least working. Then Obama had us feeling like there really WAS hope and change again.

Then, in a flash, it all changed. When Trump rolled into politics, I didn’t take him seriously. Couldn’t imagine that a sane person would choose him as a leader. And he won the election. And here we are.

It can’t be undone now. There’s too much money flowing into their warchest. People think the U.S. is “turning” towards authoritarianism. They don’t realize that we’re already there. All the pieces have been dropped in place. Full surveillance, a corrupt system supported by limitless corporate money, a stranglehold on the world’s energy supply, and a military budget bigger than most nations’ GDP.

In fairness, these sorts of shenanigans by the US government have been steadily happening for longer than I’ve been alive. Trump has pulled aside the curtain and revealed the real America. That’s all.

The aggressiveness towards Iran? Nothing new. A different president might have slowly escalated things, smiling and nodding at the cameras while pressuring NATO to help. I’m reminded of Bush in ²⁰⁰²⁄₃, leveraging the ⁹⁄₁₁ to attack Iraq. It was nonsense, but Bush brought everyone along with him. He built a case with junk evidence, made grand claims of Iraq’s destructive capabilities and deposed a dictator.

It was about oil back then, it’s about oil today. It’s always about oil.

im asboletly not into that franchise but the whern a game came out that was attached to the franchise it allow him based on the franchise alone to be the best seller of that year. And what ppl did back then ? A website to list every ppl that stream playing the game. What did it bring ? Im always amased at how insuportable u are and how easy to just go against evrything you support

So your evidence of saying boycotts don’t work is to show an example where people did not in fact boycott something? Of course a boycott won’t work if only a small group of people boycott. That’s not the fault of the people calling for the boycott. It’s the fault of the people who didn’t boycott lol.

Fine, I’ll kill myself when I’m done then

Don’t but that a good answer for doomers. I share media on USB for friends. No ai surveillance can beat physical sharing

rowling is throwing money at it. that’s why.

i’m gonna muppet out on the not registered to vote until trump oh your god i’m younger than you and voted more aaaaaaa

What human right did transgender people lose on account of the campaign she funded?

You said there was problematic stuff and it didn’t bother you enough to quit the garbage. Says so much about YOU.

The game was massively popularised across social media because there was a small, very vocal and self-righteous group trying to organise a boycott. It was free advertising that built hype around the game’s launch.

They appear to have it together unless you’re suggesting they’re obligated to ineffectually martyr themselves for an apathetic population who won’t help them.

This is what Americans have bragged about for years, though. The greatest and most free country in the world that could never possibly fall to a dictatorship because the people were armed and would rise up in rebellion. They loved to talk about their violent civil war past, as if some of that bravado still existed inside them. They loved to denigrate the citizens of more authoritarian states: “Why don’t they just fight back? Are they stupid or cowards?”.

Yes, if the rest of the world takes Americans at their word then we do expect them to die for the mythology of their country. It’s what they repeatedly said they’d do right up until the actual moment came, then they went quiet and either sulked or pretended they were fine with the house burning down.

Cool opinion.

As someone (you) who is clearly incapable of capitalization or other grammar, periods and things like that…

I’m going to go out on a limb here – it’s not a very far limb. It’s probably about a nanometer or so in length, but you might have misunderstood what she was saying.

Says who? The extreme left?

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You are quite a bigot arent you? You talked to a few americans and now painting a picture over 350 million people.

It’s Joanne being pissed that the actors who portrayed her characters have all either embraced being normal and sane human beings and refuse to have anything to do with her.

She’s trying to screw them out of their royalty checks by rebooting the series.

You can literally look up her tweets doing it.

Actual douche.

As if I’m not also tired of this shit.

Not cool, just principled.

Dude you can admit you’re into boy wizzard fantasy so much that racism doesn’t bother you and that you don’t mind financially supporting terf political attacks on lgbtq folk.

That’s the principles you’re exposing. Have a great life.

I’m gonna go pirate whatever the fuck I want and you can mind your own business or kids my ass, cool? Cool.

nah, I’ll judge your weak sauce morality and shitty choices and call it like I see it, that’s the great thing about lemmy. Cool!

Do you think that no one is trying to change things for the better? I don’t understand how you can blame every single person for the rise in facism we are witnessing in our societies.

There are a LOT of ‘central’ and ‘right-wingers’ that love her stuff all the more for her horrible worldview, and they’ll spend on it.

I’m not sure what will happen this time. The comment section of the trailer is filled with racist jokes because Snape is being played by a black actor - many on the right currently view this as part of the “woke left agenda”. However, as we saw with the attempted Hogwarts Legacy boycott, if a very small minority try to loudly virtue signal about this kind of topic it often backfires and turns into a viral marketing campaign instead.

That’s an insult to goldfish. They actually have decent long-term memory capacity.

They just know it’s an easy cash grab while there are ostensibly still people obsessed with the franchise (as we know from the video game a few years ago). Adult fans means they have no qualms dropping $70 on a game or $12 a month on a subscription.

Just make sure you aren’t consuming any media that might contain anything problematic. Or written by anyone problematic. Or produced by anyone problematic. Or financially benefiting anyone problematic. Wouldn’t want you to be a hypocrite or anything.

Can’t be watching Star Trek with all that racial stereotyping and sexism in the original series. Or Star Wars, with Jar Jar and Watto being racially problematic. Lord of the Rings has a distinct lack of female characters, and some anti-Asian undertones. Same goes for most old Disney movies, looney tunes and other cartoons, plenty of video games… No films starring or directed by Mel Gibson. Nothing involving Bill Cosby, Kevin Spacey, or Danny Masterson. Nothing produced by Miramax or the Weinstein Company (hope you a Tarantino fan). So many pitfalls and all totally inexcusable. Just make sure you purity test everything, my guy. Not even 1 percent, right?

How did you interpret the two statement to be incompatible?

Epic games literally gave away HP legacy for free.

Says people with real taste.

Eh, “piracy and not discussing it publicly” is pretty much how I watch most shows. Especially since I quit Reddit. It’s not much of an extra step.

If they existed some one would have already posted it.

They don’t.

Citation or go fuck yourself

There are better things to watch though. Harry Potter started as a bog standard Hero’s Journey story and devolved into Rowling’s weird status quo reinforcing morality tale.

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Just pirate that shit and make it your guilty pleasure. You don’t have to go and talk about it with ppl. Keep it irrelevant

This comment was quality bait. Perfect op for banter and the seppos still can’t.