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How’s this project going to interact with Collibre?

I hope they’re able to move toward a client first renderer instead of the image tile approach they used previously. That was kinda a network hog and cludgy to use.

I’m not getting any meaningful results searching for that project. What is it?

Maybe it was supposed to be Collabora?

Some new EU funding in the background?

I think they mean https://www.collaboraonline.com/. That’s what’s used if you install the office addon for Nextcloud, if I’m not mistaken.

I thought tools like OnlyOffice filled in that gap. Nice to see an alternative.

People seem to be doling out some hate for OnlyOffice because of its compatibility with MSOffice formats.

I maybe reporting it wrong. I just didn’t get it at the time, either.

Yes please.

I’d love libreoffice in a browser, but the way collabora achieves it is abysmal.

Back in 2020, those of us who had been using the OnlyOffice community document server were greeted with a notification stating that mobile editing was no longer supported and that we’d have to buy their commercial product.

Some folks quickly figured out a patch. Others, like myself, left with a bad taste in our mouths.

https://github.com/nextcloud/documentserver_community/issues/94

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/57b55e42-3350-4ba8-9576-bcf6e0efdf7e.jpeg

I think it has to do with a recent decision by OO to default save all files in MS format vs an open format ? I saw some post about it on Mastodon. I use LO

That’ll be nice to see. I like Collabora but haven’t tried hosting it. Opening that up and LibreOffice up side by side with the tabbed interface, barely any different. Maybe LibreOffice exposes way more buttons in each tab so maybe more intimidating but it looks pretty good compared to what I remember when the tabbed interface was first made available. Looking forward to seeing this progress

The screen caps on the original project page seem to imply a proper web ui:

https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-online/

Hard to be sure but the menu bar doesn’t look like the native menu.

I was just looking if something like that exists yesterday, but got disappointed. Nice timing.

My mood too.

That was actually my graduation photo, both times. I now look like that with just the top missing 😆

Plus, they are shady about their origins.

Check out CryptPad.org, it’s:

• Open Source; so it can’t be taken away from you should the org cease to exist.
• Self-hostable; although you can use or pay to use other people’s instances.
• Collaborative; with real-time editing like Google docs
• Federated; so you can collaborate with others whether you’re using a self-hosted instance or using any other server.
• End-to-end encrypted: The server admins can’t see any of your data.

Only downsides so far is that the UX is a bit slow when first loading documents and there are no mobile apps.

This one is pretty great!

fuck yeah. I’ll happily deploy this to my stack.

I thought that was odd too. Including the MS Office formats with everything else OnlyOffice can open is fine, perhaps even fantastic, but it’s weird as hell to make it the default.

Why? Why anyone needs online version?

Fingers crossed this can be a viable replacement for Collabora Online with Nextcloud, which has been a nightmare.

Collaborative documents. One thing that comes to mind is notes for my DND party. Would be nice to keep em somewhere everyone can access and add to.

I mean… When friends or people at my work place plan a party and want to organize who brings what, they share an MSOffice or Google Calc link around, which allows you to enter stuff and see in real time what the others enter.

That would be nice to do with LibreOffice instead.

But markdown is so easy to learn. They can even ignore most of it, probably.

You telling me we wouldn’t also find a good use for collaborative spreadsheets?

Awesome! 😁

OMG YES!!!

This makes me really happy because it’ll make collaborating with friends on things a lot easier.

“Just gonna add this loot to the party’s inventory real quick.”

As someone who is slowly moving off big tech, are there plugins or themes for these office suites that bring then more in line with modern UIs for office suites.

I hate Msoft and Google but the gsuite has a nice clean set up. Microsoft less so but still doesnt feel as unwieldly as open office. I was doing a doc last night and ended up getting the chrome flatpak and signing into docs.

Open Office =/= Libre Office

The latter is a long standing fork of the former and considered the “FLOSS standard office suite”. It has a “modern” ribbon UI, but you have to set it like that, it usually comes with the “old layout” by default.

OnlyOffice is another office suite which brings a ribbon UI by default.

While not open source Softmaker Office mimics Microsoft Office the closest (and claims the best available MS file format compatibility, but I cannot say anything about that).

isn’t this the whole point of this community? ._.

If we’re talking about online editing, Collabora has web editors based on LibreOffice but with a modern UI: https://www.collaboraonline.com/

They are really great and can be self hosted (e.g. with Nextcloud).

For offline editing, as already mentioned LibreOffice has an optional ribbon UI and OnlyOffice looks pretty modern as well.

How long until someone uses a LibreOffice Online instance to drop a Google doc on someone?

I think Libre Office is fantastic and I’m glad to see the back of Microsoft. But I miss how useful mail-merge was and how limited it is in Libre. It’s my only small complaint among so many cheers for Libre.

My first gut reaction was “Neat, but no thank you” but the more I think about how many clients COULD be using a cloud hosted privacy respecting platform instead of 365, I quickly bit my lip.

For personal use, being able to replace microsoft/google offerings with little to no functionality loss is amazing

It’s a pretty basic requirement for small business, nonprofits or pretty much any group of people wanting to easily collaborate on documents

They say in their post that they won’t host it.

Yes that’s understood and particularly great, leaving orgs/people to self host. I’m all for it.

(IMO) even better.
Give me the package to self-host it.

For a second I read OpenOffice instead of OnlyOffice and was perplexed how one would call that modern lmao

Yeah, I agree with that. Give me a container.

Wth, I never knew Cryptpad does sheets/forms, that’s so cool!

has it been a nightmare? I’m genuinely asking because I have it set up (with nextcloud master container) and although I don’t use it very often, the times I do it seems quite alright

Great!

I’d love to see libre office on my personal nextcloud instance. That would be an easy and effective “feature” for nextcloud which could be adopted by many business. They’re already running Nextcloud, maybe, for the digital sovereign.

Anyway, thanks for your efforts!

Why everything is going to be browser based?

Because you can use it on any device without having to install the whole app and sync the data separately… It’s super convenient, and cross-platform.

It’s still self hosted and you own the data.

This should open it to being used collaboratively.
Then I can convince wherever I work, to use this instead of going with other MS stuff?

Love Cryptpad, but am I the only one for whom the loading indicator gives a bad flashback to early js framework web development where every website was 16 times the initial load time, 4 times the overall size and just more buggy. Website SPA or not have rarely a good reason to have a loading indicator for the initial load the browser already does that.

Wasn’t collabora trying to be this

That’s one thing I really love about the whole self hosting deal. I find more and more apps that I can run on my server und just utilize it on all my hardware. Only have your phone on you? No problem. Working on your companies computer? Just open the browser No reason to install and maintain stuff on 4 different devices

markdown is so easy to learn

Only for those who want to.
Although someone playing DnD would probably not mind putting in the few minutes required.

yep… I write all my papers in Google because I can access the files anywhere, and nothing beats PaperPile for referencing yet.

I recall spreadsheets being particularly painful on mobile when I’d try to select multiple rows and it would select way more at a time but would need to fouble-check that or find a screen recording if I made one at the time.

The main issues is there was a bug where if there is an open session for a document in Collabora (including dead sessions say from mobile) and that Collabora server is shut down in the wrong order, then all changes including if you click “Save” will be lost. A bug was opened for this and closed by making sure the servers shut down in the correct order, but I don’t know if that fixes cases where the servers a hard shutdown.