That’s literally the best and fairest way to deal with that kind of stuff here. No risky permissivity, no manhunts / withchunts, no putting the onus on other people. db0 as an instance is weird for a lot of thigs, but honestly, compared to the rest of the world, not on that.
Im sorry how is making an instance vote a “weird authoritarian way of dealing with stuff”? Or is authoritarism when someone does something you dont agree with?
Go to their matrix channels, they’re throwing around ACAB, generalizing people and if you don’t support nuking israel, you will be banned for supporting the genocide. There is no debate, there is no discussion its a hive that moves into a certain direction and if you don’t you are an outcast. Words do still mean things and acting like you can’t govern democratically and authoritarian at the same time makes no sense.
Also acting like every community on feddit.org is a genocide supporting shithole is just crazy. The fediverse lives from its interoperability across the knots. I am a grown ass adult, I don’t need DB0 to make the moral decision for me with whom I can interact and with whom I can not. What I think is quite ironic, is the fact that even though the instance is “anarchistic”, everyone is licking the boots of the governing authority pretty good. I guess you either die a hero or live long enough to become a power tripping bastard yourself.
The issue starts beforehand. It’s easy to get an instance vote to agree with you if you ban and insult everybody on your instance who is not agreeing with you. That works exactly like those voter registration purges the Trump admin is doing.
Oh nooo, not the poor dbzer0 zionist users, who lost the previous vote to 85% of the instance, thats just like the Maga
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and if you don’t support nuking israel, you will be banned for supporting the genocide.
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Thanks for linking that, that proves my point. If you have banned all “pro-zionist users” (whatever that is), it is no surprise that the next vote for banning a “pro-zionist instance” will also go succeed. Let’s have another vote in a few weeks proposing to ban all users who were against banning that “pro-zionist instance”! Democracy at work!
It’s a good thing to ban Zionists, actually. Support for genocidal settler-colonialism is bad.
There was a vote for it though. Any user right now could open a vote to refederate.
Would you allow nazism in the fediverse?
It’s easy to get an instance vote to agree with you if you ban and insult everybody on your instance who is not agreeing with you. That works exactly like those voter registration purges the Trump admin is doing.
Except they are not banning “everybody on [their] instance who is not agreeing with [them]“, they are banning Zionazis and their symps.
Let’s have another vote in a few weeks proposing to ban all users who were against banning that “pro-zionist instance”! Democracy at work!
Sure, I don’t want to share space with people who want to welcome Zionazis.
What if instead of republicans day dreaming about what a vote would look like without women’s suffrage
We imagine what democracy would look like if we didn’t allow fascists to vote
“These two are the same thing”
It’s not weird, its’ just that this is how cowards and aspiring despots deal with things. You don’t address them, or let them be seen/heard, you silence them.
If we don’t allow Nazis because they are hateful and violent, why should we allow hateful and violent communists/socialists/anarchists?
Is it the hate and violence we should ban? Why is a Nazi calling to kill non-whites radically worse than a communist calling for the death of non-communists?
We shouldn’t allow people defending morally wrong stuffs that goes to all the ideological spectrum.Now answer the question would you allow supremacist and genocidal ideologies in the platforms you use?
Yeah because I’m centrist and according to lemmy nutbags I’m already genocidal supremacist by proxy, because to them any ideology outside of marxism-leninism is inherently genocidal or something.
Why is a Nazi calling to kill non-whites radically worse than a communist calling for the death of non-communists?
Stop deflecting. Would you allow supermasist ideologies like nazism? If no why do you oppose censoring zionism the supermasist ideology behind israel colonization of Palestine
Well I don’t think Nazism is one single thing dude. Not all Nazis are the same and think the same things. Every ideology has internal debates and various camps. It all depends on the specifics, which is why I would rather deal with it user by user and judge users for their actions, not their ideologies/beliefs. I also understand the concept of context. Is a community that is making fun of Nazis by using their slogans, promoting Nazism? A lot of people certainly could not draw the distinction. What about a community that wants to talk about Nazism in a historical context? Is that promoting genocide?
You call it ‘deflection’ I called it being reasonable and not making massive generalizations. Nazism and Zionism are not One Big Thing That is Evil. Lots of people, yourself include, probably have beliefs that are in agreement with several aspects of them, and disagree with others. My beef isn’t with an ideology, it’s with calls to violence, no matter what ideology they are coming from. And lots and lots of people from various ideologies call for violence and perpetuate hate and rage. I see a buttload of it coming from lemmy leftists of various self-identified flavors. If I am going to assume Nazis are evil and bad them for their violent ideology, then I’ve got to basically ban communists/socialists/anarchists too, because by your logic both are equivalently evil.
But the main disagreement we have here is that you think ideologies are the problem. I don’t. I think people are the problem. If a particular insane of ‘Nazis’ has self identified and organized itself around violence and hate, sure I’d ban them. But there are tons of contexts in which discussion of Nazis and their beliefs would be totally permissible and admirable. I myself have done various history projects on the KKK and supremacy and papers on the ideology in my academic career. Am I therefore promoting or believing in Nazi ideology?
In a professional context, like say legit hate groups being investigated by FBI or the press, what is targeted is the actions of the group and the individuals therein. That’s what I’m interested in policing, not thought or discussion.
Israel declaration of independence mention Herzl as the spiritual father of the state. Herzl advocated for ethnic cleansing
Herzl’s Diary, 12 June 1895
The property owners will come over to our side. According to my conception, the majority of the local population will have to be transferred elsewhere.
We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country. - Herzl’s Diary, 12 June 1895
Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly - Herzl’s Diary, 12 June 1895
After the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will **abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine ** partition might be only a temporary arrangement for the next twenty to twenty-five years - Chaim Weizmann 1st President of Israel
You can’t claim to be anti genocide and settler colonialism if you don’t think Zionism is a problem
That’s guilt by association. It’s a fallacy. Lots of national leaders and founders were racists and horrible people in various factors. That doesn’t mean the states necessarily were or are or forever will be.
I don’t claim to be anything. You are making all the claims here about who is what. Where I stand agonizing about genocide and dividing everyone up into pro and anti is simply stupid. My understanding is that the current Israeli government and its hardliner supporters are are engaged in a unnecessary escalated conflict, largely motivated by their own beliefs. However, that has not always been the case and various parties in the government do not agree. The conflict in Gaza is part of a much larger history that goes back centuries and isn’t ‘Zionism’.
But I’m interested in history and reality, not moralizing catchphrases and moral grandstanding over issues for which my views have zero political relevance or impact. I’m not a citizen of the state of Israel.
Israel ideology was always Zionism and their policies was always the publicity of settler colonialism so until Israel stop acting like Nazis and end occupation I can’t support that state and anybody who whitewash it.
Again I said that feddit mods are allowing people defending the ideology and not just people talking about it from an historical standpoint
The history of the colonization of Palestine by zionists started in 1948 and not the bullshit of the conflict being several centuries old like Trump try to portray . Palestinians didn’t have a problem with jews they has a problem with the zionists plan to occupy them
This comes from an israeli source
In 1884 the first Yemenites settled in Silwan and for 45 years lived peacefully and on very good terms with their Arab neighbors. It seemed that the people of Silwan, which was known to be a poor village, found common ground with the poor Jewish Yemenites that lived among them.
Despite the attempt to depict the 1929 Arab Riot as a violent incident against the Jews in Silwan, it is clear that it was not the case. From a letter of gratitude that the Yemenite Jews sent to their Arab neighbors, we can learn about the devotion and benevolence that the Arabs have shown towards the Yemenites by undauntedly protecting them, and also about the amity and good neighborly relations that prevailed between the two communities.
What a fascist take. Everyone who’s not for us is against us.
