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Well see Star Trek is woke and the new owners of the network is trying to find a way to make a Maga version of Star Trek.

You joke but apparently Tim Poole wants to “save Star Trek.”

Love the title misdirect concerning season 2 of Academy and the already in post SNW season 4. Frakking bait. Post for effects heavy shows takes the better part of a year these days.

As for new shows, not terribly sold on the “workplace comedy on a resort planet” concept. I do like Tawny Newsome’s work thus far, so I’d give it a go. Legacy should have been a slam dunk, but nooo.

The dreck that was Section 31 and DISCO’s weak final season really put a damper on the franchise as a whole. Bonus frustration concerning the recent mergers.

If we could just dump Kurtzman, I’d gladly wait out a few years between new shows.

Oh I wasn’t joking, its coming probably use that Rush Hour pedophile to direct. I heard all about their plans for Star Trek and makes me sick. They will pull the Melania treatment with it. I just hope no actors I care for are casted.

NGL, I gave up on Trek after The Next Generation.

Missed most of DS9, Voyager, and that one with Scott Bakula. Everything since then is a mystery to me. If it dies the MAGA right wing asshole death, are we really missing anything? Seems to me it was beat to death decades ago.

Dude I started with Voyager, I didn’t even watch Srar Trex outside the movies until then. Feel in love with Voyager. Seen only bits and pieaces of the another shows.

DS9 is my favorite Trek show. The slow burn of being serialized gave so much more depth to its characters. In the era of streaming, it is a gift. That being said, Janeway is more of a badass than Kirk could ever be (albeit due to some dodgy choices).

Maybe it’s because they keep making shows that ignore the established cannon and also otherwise suck?

I have to check out DS9 my wife said she enjoyed it. But your 100% right Janeway is way better caption. Also I loved the Doc on Voyager as well has most of the rest of the cast. Felix was a great character.

I think it’s probably time to let the franchise rest and recover for a decade.

I grew up on the first show back in the 60’s. (Ooop, just dated myself here!)

The thing was, Gene Roddenberry, the creator of the show folded a ton of the heavy politics of the Vietnam era and couched much of it into the premise of many of the stories. The people he got to write were politicaly savvy, leaned heavily into Shakesperean irony and were actually quite progressive.

There was an eposide - Plato’s Stepchildren - that featured the FIRST interracial kiss on American TV.. Spock and Uhura - and it was an absolute fight to get it broadcast, with Roddenberry saying it did not break any “miscegenation” (race mixing)laws because Spock wasn’t a white human, but an alien.

God’s honest, the hoops the producers had to jump through to get that original series on air was insane. The network actually airbrushed the points off of Spock’s ears in their press photos because they thought it would put off too many viewers. Vina, the [green Orion slave girl[(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94sPcb-ij9M) that did the belly dance in The Cage - the labs that developed the film stock kept processing the green out of her skin, (IIRC, they reshot that several times before the producers finally clued in the lab that yes, the girl was supposed to be green..) because again, people could only be white, brown or black at the time.. They were pushing the envelope for 3 years with that first series.

Same with the Next Gen, which went into production when Roddenberry was still alive, so he gave the show a distinct lean.. which wasn’t reactionary or regressive in any sense. If the right wingers want to take it back to the 1960’s standards for broadcast TV.. well, they will have effectively killed it by being regressive, as that was NEVER what the show was about. It wasn’t Wagon Train in space - which was what the network - NBC - orignally wanted it to be.

If you get a chance, watch the uncut episodes of the original series. Don’t get hung up on the level of special effects, they were tip top for the time and the amount of money that Desilu studios had to spend on production. Some of those original episodes - The Conscience of the King, Let That Be Your Last Battlefield, Patterns of Force, Bread and Circuses, The Dagger of the Mind.. were insanely progressive and political and today many would be considered subversive by the Trump adminsitration.

Suss them out and really pay attention to the writing, as some were insanely good.

Well, if you do watch DS9, let’s just say some of the stuff Sisko gets into goes well beyond dodgy.

It’s a bit of a rough watch in the first few seasons but it doesn’t take super long to see where the magic of the series will show up.

The honor of the kiss trivia belongs to I Love Lucy, or Shatner and future Trek costar France Nuyen, or Lloyd Bridges and Nobu McCarthy.

That aside, TOS made tremendous strides for its time. Still plenty of problematic parts throughout by current standards. Same goes for the “golden era,” especially early on, but the spirit is similar. The continued iterations make their mark and certainly pushed boundaries against the powers that be when they aired.

Point being, enjoy what you want, try not to gatekeep, and for Koala’s sake… live long and prosper.

nu trek is only superficially woke anyway. they don’t even delve into any real woke issues compared to an actual woke show like The Orville.

Thank God

All the star trek after enterprise (which wasn’t great) as been awful slop

As a Star Trek fan, what a relief.

What a shame to let SNW finish after 6 season only.

After Roddenberry died, the producers tried to make him a scapegoat for everything wrong with ST. The truth is the franchise immediately started going downhill after his death. It lost all vision, the only ideas they had were for a deconstruction of universe (DS9) or retread of TNG (VOY). After all these years I’m still not sure how to categorize ENT (it had some interesting ideas but no real thesis for ST in a post-911 world).

ST universe lost me right around season 5 of TNG.

ST is weird - the producers are always downplaying Roddenberry’s importance yet they rely almost solely on his vision and his characters.

And nothing is lost.

I was always more of a star wars guy myself, but i can totally relate. The cultural colonization has to stop!

Thank you for the reply and I definitely will check them out.

DISCO’s weak final season

The entire show was easily the weakest ST series ever. The only one I couldn’t finish. Really awful. Even Enterprise was better.

Agree. I laughed out loud at the mushroom drive thing and the enormous tardigrade thing, and then it just … kept getting worse somehow

Yeah, the fungus travel was ridiculous. If that works so well, why don’t the later shows use it? And even if they somehow explained that away at some point, would the other shows at least referenced it at some point? Or used it in some emergency?

And the Tardigrade? WTF?

My memory is hazy here, but didn’t they explain why they couldn’t make more ships use the drive in later seasons? Like they figured out the mycelium network was sentient and using the drive was hurting it. So expanding its use would probably kill it or something?

Beats me, I was out by then. Even if they stopped using, it, the concept still existed. You’d think a later incarnation would have used it, but they didn’t, because it never existed. Until Discovery came along and crashed a burning semi-truck through the established canon.

::: spoiler spoiler So in the later or last season (I’m not sure if I finished it or not) discovery gets thrown 1000 years forward in time, taking the tech with them. This is how they explain why the tech is not in use during the TNG/DS9/Voy era. I’m not saying its a good excuse or anything. Just saying that an excuse exists. :::

Ack! I just pulled up my old rips of TOS.. it was Kirk and Uhura.. How did I get it muxed with Spock? Ah.. well, it’s been years since I chewed through the series.. (I’ve been gaming mostly for the last decade or so) and maybe I was blending that with one of the later ST movies?

Well, yeah. That fits for where my head’s at lately. LOL!

Yeah, but surely they informed Star Fleet of this discovery, so even if they get tossed into the future, Star Fleet should still have the tech, or at least the plans. It seems like the perfect solution to Voyager’s dilemma, but of course, if they had the Fungus Drive, they wouldn’t have a series.

Discovery was just awful in every way.

I won’t forgive them for killing the new-fan incubator that was Prodigy.

Mirror Universe Trek when?

Please try it. You’re doing yourself a disservice if you don’t

Some things need to die.

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And short ones too

Should we bring in the Orville to the family. For sure, it’s no true star trek, just like discovery, and ds9, and TNG.

How is DS9 and TNG not true star trek? 🤨

Trust him bro

I forgot the /a, I though I was pretty obvious

If I hadn’t seen some pretty crazy takes for real, it would have been easier to tell. 🤣

I would watch the shit out of that, of or had an enterprise mirror vibe not a ds9 mirror vibe. Ds9 is my favorite series but God were their mirror episodes goofy af

no real thesis for ST in a post-911 world

Other than “Bush is right, when you’re facing a supposed existential crisis the ends justify the means”

Which is why I specified for Star Trek. Like DS9, though it had a lot of good, it chipped away at the Roddenberry’s vision of the future, which I think was more scifi than DS9 and ENT were, so those shows didn’t contribute to the ST universe, but instead gave us things like Section 31.

That’s not true, they don’t ignore canon.

They go through great pains to deconstruct it, erase it, and just generally shit all over it.

If anything, Kurtzman was incredibly focused on canon and his desire to destroy it, and supplant it with his own version.