This app could potentially supplant Tik Tok overtime. As Tik Tok’s censorship following it’s acquisition by US investors such as Oracle, Silver Lake, and Abu Dhabi-based MGX, and UpScrolled already having questionable ethics, this may be the path forward.
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a2e7894f-990f-4ba8-973b-9ffe201541ff.jpeg
UpScrolled is also for-profit right?
It would be amazing to ditch the company control and so. The main problem is that it’s difficult to get users to join it. I mean just look at how many people still use reddit and discord.
It’s getting there, but still needs a good amount of ui fixes. The below mentioned are my personal issues with the app.
All this being said I still use it. They are making progress and I hope they keep going.
My problem with loops is I can only scroll four videos before it stops scrolling. No matter what. I’ve tested it a few times on different devices because I wanted to try moving friends off Tik Tok.
I can’t figure out why it just stops.
Is it ready? It’s been promised for a year or so now and was only available available by some signup list.
Yup and it’s closed source, it’s of course likely to be more lax for a time than Tik Tok&Instagram until it takes over…
Tbf Lemmy is still lacking on many things like media(comics, games, tv shows, cartoons, anime/Manga etc), Reddit right now is THE place aside from niche sites specific to each median, but as for Discord I agree, alternatives are not so hard there… Lemmy is getting there though.
It needs an app
And it needs to render uploaded videos to the maximum allowed file size. Regular people don’t know how to make their videos smaller. I only managed to do it by uploading to you tube the then downloading it from there. Then it was small enough to to be uploaded to loops
Also, easier sign up and more content
Same!
That’s misleading, they plan on being open sourced according to pubs:
Similar to how Mastodon offers an open source, distributed version of X, the fediverse is getting its own TikTok competitor. This week, an app called Loops began accepting signups on its new platform for sharing short, looping videos. Still in the early stages, Loops is not yet open sourced, nor has it completed its integration with ActivityPub, the protocol that powers Mastodon, Pixelfed, PeerTube, and other federated apps.
However, both those efforts are in the works and when complete, will allow Loops to add another layer of social activity to the growing open social web known as the fediverse, which now has north of 11.6 million users and over 1 million monthly active users. (Mastodon accounts for roughly 65% of that activity.) Growth in this space has also encouraged other apps to adopt ActivityPub, like social magazine app Flipboard and Meta’s Threads. The latter is not yet fully integrated but already has more than 200 million monthly active users.
https://techcrunch.com/2024/10/25/the-fediverse-is-getting-its-own-tiktok-competitor-called-loops/
They’ve been promising it will be open source for a year now.
Isn’t piefed open source? You might be right, but we’ll see, yeah?
loops has a app if you are talking about them, I just had to uninstall the previous to install the newest as it’s been awhile since I’ve used it.
Wait, what’s this if it’s closed source? https://github.com/joinloops/loops-server
I felt my back break when I went on the app and sorted by retro and saw stuff I didn’t think was that old.
It needs an app
There is an app both for apple and android. Just scroll down the page a bit: https://joinloops.org/join-the-beta
I’m not trying to fight with you, I’m trying to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Maybe we could get the creator to come in here and explain what’s going on.
UpScrolled already having questionable ethics
Which questionable ethics? I’m out of the loop.
It’s not very helpful but I don’t get this issue, I can scroll for as long as I want and keep getting served content.
Pixelfed ≠ Piefed
but it is open source
Pixelfed is open-sourced software licensed under the AGPL license. https://github.com/pixelfed/pixelfed?tab=readme-ov-file#license
You’re right, I thought it was the Piefed guy.
Upscrolled could have been the one but 90% of the content is not English, which makes sense given who is creating it, but the real problem is that most of the English content I came across there either wasn’t remotely interesting to me or was straight up nazi racist stuff.
What is closed source ? Aren’t those up to date?
https://github.com/joinloops/loops-server#license
Loops Server is open-sourced software licensed under the AGPL license.
Pixelfed (Instagram-like) not PieFed (Reddit-like)
and UpScrolled already having questionable ethics, this may be the path forward.
I am definitely Out of the loop on this.
My apologies, I called UpScrolled closed source because it is, not Loops.
So Loops is open sourced then?
It has an app, it is kinda weird how you get it though. When you click tk join it gives you the choice of app. It’s not on an app store for android. Not sure about apple. So for me updates dont seem to happen to it that I know of.
Yes.
Oh, that makes a lot more sense.
Loops has a lot of bugs, but my biggest issue with it is the video quality is awful for anything with lots of motion, especially moving water. If I wanted videos without motion I’d take a picture.
When I asked dansup about this his reply was “we’re happy with the quality”, glad he is, no one else is though.
The app has had more “coming soon” announcements than anything actually materializing.
I appreciate his vision and effort but not his delivery, and dear lawd his egotistical posts, yikes.
I would love to see Loops turn into what he keeps promising but so far, it hasn’t.
It’s available, but I don’t know about ready. You can register freely, you can download a phone app (through apk) and you can scroll. When I tried it the other week it still failed to deliver any worthwhile content in a quick enough time. I don’t think the recommendation algorithm is good enough (although there also just isn’t a ton of stuff on there in general).
It does also lack a lot of features, I think the biggest one is a built-in editor. Right now every video must be single take and that’s going to be in the way of mass adoption.
The benefit is less distractions and pointless organization for a project in the early stages
Open sourcing things is a pain in the ass. It’s common to get the core project working before doing so
Let us hope that it gets there one day.
Microsoft will take its name.
And Twitter
I’ve seen other people on Mastodon/Bluesky mention that the site takes an ‘self-censorship’ approach to moderation, so there’s a bunch of far right people doing Nazi stuff on there.
Use Reddit for reading only; read and contribute to Lemmy.
That mixed with not having an algorithm, I’ve seen a lot of sexual stuff I was not looking for.
Seems already pretty solid. Was testing a bit in the last days:
https://loops.video/@ordos
Still very few users. But this could change as soon as the app is available in the app stores.
I have been on UpScrolled for about 23-25 days and have not seen any Nazi stuff. However, I keep my feed and the people I follow mainly about Anime and Palestine.
If there’s indeed Nazi stuff on it, I hope the developer removes it. Zionism and Nazi are both insanely shit ideologies that should have never come to existence.
That mixed with not having an algorithm
Is not that a part of the advantage? You, the person; deciding what you want to see and follow. I think Mastodon and BlueSky are similar in that regard.
I’ve seen a lot of sexual stuff I was not looking for.
Follow the developer of the app and you’ll understand why;
I definitely seem to be in the minority with this issue
🤞
I think it’s hurting them that it says “join the beta”. To me, that means being put on a waitinglist and hoping to be picked. Better wording would’ve been “Join us (in beta)” or simply “join us”. Only now did I click on it and found out that I had to download a raw apk. Which brings me to the next point: it’s only on the iOS App Store. The majority of phone users on the planet (overwhelmingly so) are Android users. Why target the minority first? And why provide the majority with a link to a file that requires extra actions? It should be on the Google Store and on F-Droid first, then the App Store.
Anyway, I’m not the target audience, nor am I a programmer, so I’m grateful that somebody is putting in the work. Hopefully they can convince enough people to join and get off of closed-source platforms!
Testing linking @ordos@loops.video
If this is another tool using ActivityPub, I’m gonna get mad.
I see your local profile here on fedia with no contact. When I try to click though I get a https warning. I don’t have the app though…
If it doesn’t have an algorithm aren’t you responsible for what you’re seeing?
I have no idea why it’s been prioritised for the iOS app store, but either it’s a case of its creator being an iPhone user, or American I guess (I believe iPhone still has a majority market share in the US).
What is the point of recreating media format designed exclusively to grab attention as much as possible and monetize it?
FYI, it works great for me on sh.itjust.works. Is your instance a lemmy instance?
and monetize it
Have you used TikTok? If you had in the beginning, it was full of people doing history videos, diy, etc. I suspect it will be something like that. I don’t use it anymore, but it was great in the beginning,.I suspect that if you’re on Loops, especially at first, monetizing it isn’t your first thing. The meme communities are probably going to go nuts.
I’d say it’s to help replace unhealthy addictions with a platform that’s smaller and less easy to fall into infinite scroll rabbit holes. Like nic-patches to stop smoking.
…? Interesting thing to share on Lemmy…
No. No more Vines or Shorts and shit. It’s a fucking problem. Stop it.
Clone the brain rot, that’ll save you…
mbin
dansup is Canadian. I guess it makes sense to get the iPhone app up on the store first if you’re trying to get users from the US market where people are moving away from TT currently.
I mean, at least you will have the brainrot without profiling, censorship and potentially clients that make it easier to get off the brainrot
What is “questionable” about UpScrolled’s ethics is that it is pro-Palestine. So basically the same reason that TikTok came under attack: it wasn’t promoting Zionist voices and it wasn’t suppressing anti-Zionist voices.
It still is, it just depends on what kind of content you engage with. People on reddit/lemmy LOVE to hate on short form video content but it isn’t inherently destructive or evil IMO., it just depends on how you interact with it.
That’s cool, still not gonna consume short form media. Idk why people with the desire to have healthy online habits would appreciate this new product. It’ll be slopped with politics and AI in no time like Lemmy is already suffering from.
It needs third-party apps.
“What’s the point of creating something people want to use?”
This is why most of you aren’t designers or creators.
I don’t know what upscrolled is, but if it’s not federated then who cares?
Yeah I know. I just don’t like ActivityPub from a technical point of view. But that’s the same with VHS vs Betamax. You just have to go with the popular choice, even though it is worse than others.
It’s a chicken and an egg problem. We don’t have to worry about what other people do, only ourselves.
Oh, that’s good to know.
There is now no reason to care about it.
People also want to use drugs that cause addiction. Is that a good reason to design and create more of them?
Who are you to say it isn’t?
Someone with a vested interest in s healthy, functional society of educated adults.
I don’t know what upscrolled is, but if it’s not federated then who cares?
You care enough to write about the specific app that, you don’t know about.
Your account is 4 days old, that says enough. I won’t respond to you after this comment.
Exactly. Ethically sourced brainrot is still brainrot
If you were an educated adult, you’d know that banning drugs tends to cause more harm. You’d also know that some drugs have positive effects on learning and empathy when used appropriately.
Short text can be as afdictive as short videos yrt one seems ok and the other not
Ok, that makes sense. I haven’t read a ton of technical critiques of ActivityPub. Any recommendations?
Alright, shill.
“Get in loser we are going to open-source a turd”
I was talking about specifically about drugs that cause addiction, not all kinds of drugs in general. Also, I said nothing about banning drugs or anything else. I just don’t understand why to produce more of that shit when we as society can’t deal with what’s already out there.
I’m a developer looking for a new pet project. This sound line a fun challenge :) open source multi platform compose app. I might just start it today
You could also implement features that reduce the addictivity as the EU might be demanding of Tik Tok in the future. When it’s a federated open source platform with no profit motive that’s going to be something much more easy to get in.
yeah I’m not sure Upscrolled is going to be an improvement over Tik Tok in the long run in any way. Not open source or federated, probably will be even easier for Trump-supporting billionaires to buy it than TT for example.
Yes, exactly. It’s just a way to successfully manipulate people to believe how you want them to.
And we don’t want leftists doing that, so let’s make it a moral failing.
To use it to deprogram the next generation of fascist
Not unless you count scrolling up a bit as consent to see nsfl stuff.
Keep me informed!👌👍🤞
People don’t want an addicting, toxic, alienating, depressing, billionaire-owned platform.
They want a addicting, toxic, alienating, depressing, non-billionaire-owned platform … Apparently.
Is there porn yet? I’ve found the prevalence of pornography to be a good indicator of how free the speech is on any platform. If you can’t see a titty, it’s probably pretty canned.
I wonder if it will function more like Vine?
Maybe it’s because I’m a decade older now, but Vine seemed awesome and I would jump on it for 10-20 minutes a day and have no problem putting it down, even forgetting to check it a week at a time.
I haven’t touched tik tok because it seems like it is much more toxic and addictive in comparison.
Is it so wrong to want to watch a funny video from time to time on the bus? IMO the best thing about loops, piefed or whatever is that there’s so little on here that you can open your app of choice for about 30 minutes to an hour and then be done for the week.
Is it so wrong to just take a little hit of heroin from time to time?
Short form content is actively making people dumber, causing speech impediments in kids by cause their parents and themselves are addicted to the dopamine hit of scrolling.
Are you going to ban alcohol as well because that’s a neurotoxin?
Maybe you put down the pop science magazine for five seconds and understand that a single study, or even five studies, does not a consensus make. You sound like moms against video games or whatever the hell like it was called it back in the 2000s.
Also, great job completely ignoring the point about non-incorporated vectors for engaging with short form videos don’t have enough content for you to continuously scroll.
Yeah, that’s why it’s so hard to ditch those major platforms. Because you could join an alternative but it would likely mean not being able to interact with many things, not sure if I would make that trade-off.
I hate TikTok too, but it’s not going away without comprehensive legislation regulating social media. Until then, a fediverse alternative that’s not ruled by corporate algorithms would at least be a form of harm reduction. Think of it like a Safe Injection Site program; it’s not great that they’re still using, but at least they’re getting clean needles.
I’ll tell you what, that’s a fair point.
Not sure about OP, but I think that yes, end goal should be banning alcohol consumption completely.
I guess we should get rid of sweet foods as well, as people can get addicted to that and it can lead to obesity.
I would argue, based on my perception of people who use and abuse those platforms, as well as data to suggest and confirm the above descriptors, that yes it is so wrong lol
I mean, you’re free to eat mcdonalds all you want, but let’s not pretend it’s a healthy choice in any way you measure it
That’s… maybe not the greatest screenshot to use if you want to support them. The nearly invisible, black-on-dark-blue heading kinda makes it look vibe coded
Treat them like nicotine?
Exactly. I have ZERO desire to use this app, or even PixelFed for that matter. Does that platform even have a legit user base or just bots?
We don’t want a monarchy. We want a spectacle fueled capitalistic society.
Is there some trend in humanity, where it’s like… we don’t care if we suffer so long as it’s not to the benefit of someone else? We gotta build our own suffering machines of culture instead? What’s up with that?
Not sure if users can host their own servers yet, but once that becomes available then I don’t see what would stop you.
A platform that’s not cleansed of anti-genocide anti-ice content is still a step
What is Tik Tok overtime?
No because the main feed is just whatever is new. Or at least it was a month ago when I used it last.
I’m fine with not having an algorithm I just don’t feel the need to see some ladies twat unless I’m looking for that content specifically. I’m not saying the platform is bad, just it needs some work still.
Well this app looks like total shit.
For 12 throw that might be kinda hard. Newish account to promote loops
When did I say anything about banning drugs? I just said I don’t think it’s a good idea to make more addicitive substances for the sake of addiction.
I don’t think they made it addictive. Making an app addictive requires a lot of labour with people from different areas.
Might just look that way because it’s using the default theme of Tailwind CSS, which is coincidentally the weapon of choice for sloptimized vibe code.
Short form is cool because it’s like constrained writing.
Tiktok was pretty great while it was just silly videos.\ But it’s not short form anymore so it’s full of political essays and propaganda.
I kinda hope that loops is more like vine than tiktok or vertical YouTube. But it’ll probably be up to the instance to govern video length.
Oh get over yourself
Newish account to promote loops
Probably, but it seems to be an open-source fediverse community project with no VC backing, so I don’t begrudge them it. Like, how else do you get projects like this seen if not in a fediverse discussion community, you want them to just buy Google ads instead?
It’s tik tok again, but after you finish your first tik tok feed completely.
Yeah, the fact that it’s so normalized in society makes me sick.
absolute fucking gooner logic
Also Microsoft is gonna come for them because they already have a Loops
Its the goon canary in the goon shaft
I’m fine with not having an algorithm
Then why even mentioning it (in a more negative than neutral tone)?
I just don’t feel the need to see some ladies twat unless I’m looking for that content specifically. I’m not saying the platform is bad, just it needs some work still.
Whether you use the platform or not, does not really matter (to me). You are right the platform needs some work and they’re putting the work while being one of social media platform that’s being targeted by Zionists.
I have written what, I wanted to write. I have shown the text and image the developer wrote. That’s about it. I’ll leave it at that, I guess.
I can’t stand shorts, tick-tock, or any of those videos. The videos I watch are usually comprehensive, longer than 10 mins, and I pause, rewind, slow down ect the video.
I mentioned the algorithm BECAUSE that’s why I saw sexual content. No algorithm means when I was scrolling the discover page, I was just getting the most recently uploaded content therefore, sexual content. To be fair, when I first signed up for TikTok back in the day that’s what the algorithm tried to shove at me as well.
healthy online habits
This kind of pseudo-science is exactly why TikTok is controlled by zionists, why age-gates are coming to Linux, etc, etc, etc.
Is it so wrong to just take a little hit of heroin from time to time?
Is it so wrong to make an absurd, pseudo-scientific claim that’s literally destroying the internet?
Because the rest of prohibition has been going so great? jfc.
You sound like a real saint with super healthy internet habits. Must have huge internet muscles. \s
There is absolutely no ethical consumption under capitalism.
Gotta be careful because that’s a goonery slope.
the short video format was designed as being additive,
lmao. cool story.
People want to use nuclear weapons. Is that what everybody wants?!?!?!? Because that’s what social media is!!!
\s
People are really out here enraged about videos being too short. Total baseless nonsense.
The major difference is that there’s actually science backing up the claims that excessive sugar is unhealthy.
There’s no such science about “social media”.
That pedo tank will be out of business by the end of the year.
Don’t know what kind of work you do, but I work with people, my partner works with kids. Short form content is absolutely ravaging minds. But you can believe whatever you want.
Fact is, we see kids that are and aren’t raised with access to short form content on social media, and the ones without do a whole lot better.
Speech impediments are getting worse for a reason (the parents have a role in this too, if your around a kid, keep your damn phone in your pocket and talk to the poor thing).
But again, you do you. You can claim its pseudo-science all you want when your kids end up needing a speech therapist and need medication just to finish an old movie 🤙
