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There is a new merge on the Wayland GitLab repo. This new merge (of an old pull request) adds xdg-session-management protocol to Wayland. This is a big development and certainly a feature Linux users will enjoy.

As per the brief message in merge request:

For a variety of cases it’s desirable to have a method for negotiating the restoration of previously-used states for a client’s windows. This helps for e.g., a compositor/client crashing (definitely not due to bugs) or a backgrounded client deciding to temporarily destroy its surfaces in order to conserve resources.

This protocol adds a method for managing such negotiation and is loosely based on the Enlightenment “session recovery” protocol which has been implemented and functional for roughly two years.

In simpler words, session recovery is finally coming to Wayland.

This will be interesting as well. Your Linux desktop will be able to remember window positions and sizes across restarts. So if you are meticulous about an organized layout where the terminal is on the left and the browser is on the right, it will be the same even after your system restarts. Note that session survives temporary app closures, too.

It’s about freaking time.

Any multi monitor users know my pain? haha.

https://github.com/PCSX2/pcsx2/pull/8071

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Sike omgawd I almost destroyed my system. I will never do that again. Wayland or like wayno…. I don’t know what ya’ll talking about… When I “upgraded” it was only dog water

The ecosystem is slowly migrating to Wayland. It will probably take another decade but at some point your choice is going to be Wayland, or ancient unsupported systems.

This is frickin YUGE

What’s after Wayland?

I thought for a moment they were talking about pip windows not remaining on top. Disappointed I am.

Combine that when multi virtual desktops and pain is much worse. TBH my top priority would be browsers.

But kwin can’t restore them to the correct workspace

Yutani?

Lately I’m having issues where I have some windows set to open full screen on the second monitor (not even full screen, just making it manually take all the space) via Kwin, but since I have a top toolbar panel on the main monitor, the fucker opens with an empty space above where the imaginary toolbar would be.

I’ve checked mostly everything and now it only happens in a game so I just set it to full screen and then windowed full screen again and I don’t need to worry until I reopen the game, so it’s mostly a non issue. In KDE’s defense, the game does open correctly, it just resized afterwards so it seems like a game issue.

Besides that game though, every other program (telegram, discord..) opens right where I told it to be, I use KDE, I created a window rule for every program I routinely open and I just recorded the position I like them in and they open exactly there. I do have 2 monitors, I can give you more info on my setup if you’d like.

Really? People will finally stop pushing it on users that don’t need it?

This is great, yet I wish there was a way to send information to specific windows from outside. Yeah I know that that’s technically a security flaw and Wayland’s ethos is practically against it, but if I want to emulate a click in a specific window passively without focusing on it, there should be some way to allow it as long as I know the window ID.

I’m talking about that feature of xdotoolthat let’s you send click or key press events to specific windows that can’t be done by combining ydotool and kdotool, since neither has window specific interactions.

I know that it’s a very specific request, and it’s for a more stupid reason, I want to play bongo cat with my friends and I need a way to send k&m events to that window so it works on Wayland Linux 😭😭

With all the crazy stuff going around in the world, “Wayland adds an actually useful feature that is basically core to a system tasked with managing windows” was not in my 2026 Bingo card. Kudos to them for finally doing it I guess.

Maybe by 2038 this thing will finally be usable, just in time to roll over the 32-bit grave.

Yeah I hacked it with window rules but forget positioning if you’re using more than one screen setup.

Never noticed the issue.

I just fixed a long standing problem I had. My mouse would stop clicking.

I installed several USB distros just to try the mouse and they all failed.

Then I tried my mouse on other computers and it was fine.

It was the stupid keyboard! I swapped keyboards and its all good now. Apparently keyboards don’t like stuff like drinks falling in between the keys and such.

Wayland 2: Electric Boogaloo

I’m curious what your use-case is, that prompts you to write that is not usable for you. I have used Wayland on KDE for years without any issues. Even multi monitor setups with weird adapters and HDR seem to just work.

Sounds like what I used to mess with using AutoIt. Great little scripting language!

My use case is pretty much having a normal, usable, standard desktop environment where I can do workflows supported by features such as:

• using a screen recording program to, ya know, record the screen;
  • …without having to buy more into the so-called portals cartel (that is also adding age verification);
• opening programs with their windows being opened in the workspace, screen and at least approximate positioning where I last used then;
  • being able to drag-and-drop or relocate windows across screens, workspaces or any such entities;
• launch graphical applications as a different user and have them interact natively with the rest of the desktop (eg.: fullscreen correctly);
• have a fucking clipboard!;
  • with the Linux-classic middle-click alternate clipboard, too.
• assign a hotkey or keycombo for an application, that can be fired from anywhere else in the desktop;
• being able to manufacture input events for keyboard, mouse, joystick etc… for when there are issues;
• being able to launch the window of a program opened remotely;
• programs using the graphical theme I’ve assigned for window decoration, instead of inventing their own titlebars and min/maximize buttons;
• being able to drag-and-drop files from one window to another;
• and many others.

The last time I tried Wayland was in 2023-ish. The fucking thing could not even finish the startup for a desktop session in my machine. It’s honestly the worst vaporware I’ve ever seen, and I’ve been around since the ‘90s. I feel like these things will never ever be truly fixed, because from what I understand of the Wayland model, it is intrinsically about treating the user as an enemy:

“We’re treated like hostile threat actors on our own workstations” [1]

[1] https://gist.github.com/probonopd/9feb7c20257af5dd915e3a9f2d1f2277

Which is, ultimately, worrying. Things like Pulseaudio, systemd, Wayland, …, feel like they are making Linux less for the user and more for corporations. It’s enshittification, and comes from a culture of enshittification (Potter-ing etc).

Excuse my dumb, does this mean when I close a window/application in a particular location/size, when I launch it again, it returns to the last known size/location? Or does this only address crash/restore scenarios?

I’ve been using Linux for 3-4 years now, and in that time I’ve only ever used Wayland.

I’ve never had any issues with it.

The last time I tried Wayland was in 2023-ish.

A lot has changed in 3 years

I’m using a tiling window manager, so the placement and window decoration stuff I’ve never tried, but these things worked out without any tinkering for me:

using a screen recording program to, ya know, record the screen;

with wf-recorder or something

launch graphical applications as a different user and have them interact natively with the rest of the desktop

clipboard

assign a hotkey or keycombo for an application, that can be fired from anywhere else in the desktop;

being able to manufacture input events for keyboard, mouse, joystick etc… for when there are issues;

all of these just came in with hyprland and appear to be common case. Hope all your requirements will be met soon!

On the contrary, I have a 1440p 120Hz primary monitor and a 4k 60Hz vertical side monitor, and I can only seem to make that setup work with Wayland. I’ve been using only Wayland this whole time as a result.

As for all your issues with it: - I’m able to record my screen just fine with multiple applications. Are you trying to write your own screen recorder, or use existing ones? - I have not had any issues with fullscreen. If anything, it works better for me than Windows. (I can’t compare it to X11 because I can’t use X11.) - I don’t really understand what you mean by having a clipboard. Do you not have one on Wayland somehow? - Hotkeys seem to work for me, so I’m confused here too. - I’m not too sure what you mean by “manufacture inputs” but my keyboard supports programmable macros and that works for me, though I believe that works by flashing the keyboard instead of through software. - Programs I use often use their own themes regardless of Wayland/X11 so the client-side decorations doesn’t matter nearly as much to me. I would like it to be more consistent, but that’s on both sides (Wayland+application devs) to figure out.

The rest of these aren’t issues I’ve had to deal with at all, but I can see them coming up. Wayland does have some issues, but nothing I’ve come across that’s major enough to bother me all that much.

I swear I see this headlineat least once every two months.

Congrats for your experience.

Thanks, it feels great.