“People supporting “Israel”, the Zionist entity enacting genocide on Palestinians, are identical to people supporting the USSR, which eliminated Nazism and saved tens of millions of lives from extermination”
No you’re explaining pre/during revolution. I dont care about structure during those times.
My issue is with your support for vanguard party post revolution. A vanguard party post revolution absolutely would be a more educated elite class than a steel worker. Ive even seen you talk about the vanguard party educating the working class on the revolutionary ideas which to me just sounds like 1:1 an elite class ruling over workers with total control.
I’m talking about both before and after revolution, such as in this comment where I talk about democratic systems in post-revolutionary socialist states. This was 2 comments ago, either you forgot about it already or didn’t read it, neither of which shows any real sense of care for truth on your part.
Secondly, as I explained in my last comment, “intellectuals” are not a class. They belong to broader classes. Vanguards are indeed supposed to teach the rest of the working classes how to correctly struggle. Are you going to tell me that teachers in schools are an “elite class” too? This is just anti-intellectualism. Not everyone is going to be dedicated to studying revolutionary theory and history, not everyone is going to be a labor organizer, but that doesn’t mean we can’t have people dedicated to doing so.
Classes are social relations to production. The vanguard party and non-vanguard working class both have the same ownership over the means of production, just like your manager at whatever job you have likely isn’t an owner either.
Where are you getting all of these confused ideas about class, socialist democracy, and vanguards from? It certainly isn’t from Marx, Engels, Lenin, etc, nor is it from historical documentation.
That’s not what I said that in response to. This doesn’t mean I oppose resistance to genocide, this means I have expectations towards resistance groups. Not the same position.
Look, you’re free to keep replying, but I’m not going to further talk here. I’m just writing this last comment to clarify that, so you can stop wasting your time. I realize that you’re not arguing in good faith, so this is just going to go on endlessly.
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Seeing your political inclinations you may wanna check out nazis.love, zionism.supporters, and netanyahu.net
You people are worse than reddit
Idk, the process looked fine to me. I can’t say I agree with the arguments and the outcome, but it never looked like a bad process.
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“Slaughtering civilians and shielding behind the people victim of genocide is what I call resistance against genocide”. Most enlightened extremist
Zionist scum
Don’t forget all the rape.
Wow, Germany sent A STRONGLY WORDED LETTER?? Damn, how did the genocide not stop immediately? Oh wait, they still maintain full diplomatic and economic relations with the genocidal Zionist entity, and have done no effort to ban Zionist and far-right media after proving that under German law there are provisions to ban media (as was done with Russian media).
@BrainInABox@lemmy.ml, remember that you’re on lemmy.world, where reporting someone for being a Zionist is likely to only backfire.
Good point. I’m probably just giving them new moderator candidates lol.
Unfortunately, dbzer0 has not yet provided a consistent definition of Zionism, which is why they always resort to the broadest possible interpretation. As a result, it is essentially impossible to differentiate between the IDF and feddit.org (or at least their ideology), which is obviously stupid, but has the advantage of simplicity. One can simply throw the word around and everyone nods dutifully.
I was talking about the difference between Ukrainians and Palestinians
oh right duh
People love to criticize the marketplace of ideas and sure it’s imperfect… but what’s he alternative?
Ban Zionists and Nazis and Fascist from all aspects of the public sphere.
Sure, if you have total power over the media ecosystem. But we don’t.
So the question has to be asked–are you banning Zionism from the public square or simply exiling anti Zionism into a small echo-chamber where no one will hear it anymore and Zionism will go unchallenged? This is my problem with this approach.
the shun is collective. the re-education is something the person being shunned must participate in as part of the collective in order to no longer be shunned
Well what you’re bringing up now is a very nuanced discussion. nuanced and possibly even subjective. but my take, reeducation as a concept surely don’t remind me of anything ethical in real world history. it also still reminds me of a carceral system, just a differently short-sighted one. i can’t imagine a crime befitting of reeducation either, i mean let’s talk about bigotry for instance. how far do you go trying to avoid shunning a bigot before you’re just doing them the favour of giving them people to abuse? how would you teach a bigot out of bigotry, in this scenario they’re already living in a world without the systems that cultivate an environment of bigotry yet they persist. they’re beyond help as far as i’m concerned. and as i just mentioned, a lot of crime happens out of necessity because of being left behind by capitalism. i at least don’t think crimes againat humanity are worthy of mercy of any sort.
Yes, that’s the idea, making sure that Zionists don’t have access to anyone.
to the saurkraut, to be against genocide is a form of authoritarism germany-cool
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